Only in fucking Scotland

[Hoardasurass]

So the chief statistician in Scotland has issued the new list of gender identity that public bodies must ask us and collate data on
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/20/snp-guidance-public-bodies-24-genders/

It should be Bigendian and Littleendian, of course.

If you'd drafted the above categories I'd have said they came out of Uranus.

ErrolTheDragon · Today 00:42

It should be Bigendian and Littleendian, of course.

What has Motorola computing forms for SegY format got to do with gender woo?

Goneouttolunch · Today 00:22

Can someone post the archive link to the Telegraph article please.

My pleasure!

https://archive.ph/Q6S46

Aside from the ridiculous aspect of this nonsense.
How much money goes towards something that doesn't amount to anything.

MissingLynks · Yesterday 22:10

If you actually read the article, there is no requirement for people to be asked to choose out of all 24 options, these are options someone who has indicated a trans identity might write in a free text box, which staticians would then need to record.

I think you've mis-read it, there are 24 initial options, with a further 23 for the free text option.

"There are then a further 23 “trans subcategory” options people can be recorded against. The “coding framework” was produced by the government “to help statistics producers categorise the free text responses related to trans status”."

Well I cant fucking read it because paywall.

@Bodeganights · Today 06:21

Well I cant fucking read it because paywall.

https://archive.ph/Q6S46

What is interesting (and positive) is that they have included 'detransitioned' as an option. Will be interesting to get some large scale data on the number of people who detransition.

And how are you supposed to know if
" detransitioned" is a man or a woman?

Like they just couldnt spare an extra slot so you have the option of detransitioned males and detransitioned females...

Or Is it like the JW where once you defect you no longer are acknowledged so they just to clump detransitioned people in a pile irrespective of biology / science/ fact?

Bizarre

'Frothy/frothing' and similar are clearly the words of the moment with TRA's. I've seen them come up so many times on recent threads. It's like a tediously predictable copy and paste.

(I do wonder whether there's a 'TRA big book of useful phrases' somewhere. Run a quick finger down the relevant page for pronouns or made up genders or whatever) and find the corresponding phrase. A handy quick guide!)

Male/female fits all mammals on this planet. No special labels needed.

They came from Jonathan Swift's satire:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilliput_and_Blefuscu#History_and_politics

Whaddabout Demi Moore?

Yes. While some people may find their inner affiliation or rejection of stereotypes associated with their sex important and fascinating, it's not going to have any bearing on the data we need to function as a society.

'Froth' often goes with 'spew' and 'screech' and 'shrill'.

Thanks for the link.

'The list of 24 genders was added last week to formal guidance first issued to public bodies in 2021 about how information on sex and gender should be recorded and published.
The guidance says that those in surveys who say that they are transgender or have a “trans history” should then be asked to describe their status in their own words.
Public bodies are then advised to categorise their response as one of the possible gender identity options.'

So not just 'how people may identify', it's how the gov are supposed to categorise people with a trans identity.

Pointless waste of time and money.

I believe these are flavours of non-binary. Flavours which require cross-sex hormone medical intervention.

Bergamotte · Today 06:57

+ + It should be Bigendian and Littleendian, of course.+ +

$ $ What has Motorola computing forms for SegY format got to do with gender woo? $ $

They came from Jonathan Swift's satire:

Oh, thanks, I haven't read that one. It does also pertain to the much later example I gave, in seismic processing.

If the question really needs to be asked, why not
sex - male / female
Do you have a gender identity Y/n
If yes (blank box or whatever collection from the hundreds of tick boxes are preferred).
If no, next question and those of us who don’t subscribe can at least be included.
I will not answer anything that assumes I identify as a gender, or I tick the prefer not to say, if there is one, or use a comment box.

*JellySaurus
"Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
"Neither. I'm atheist."
"But are you Catholic atheist or Protestant atheist?"

This is exactly what it feels like to be offered 2 binary choices, neither of which fits.*

In categorising belief, binary choices are indeed pointless and bigoted. This so-called 'data collection' is useless and offensive. It collects no useful data. It lumps together beliefs, practices, situations, and treats them all as one data point.

But I suspect that you have completely missed my point, and your objection to a binary choice is more along the lines of:

"Are you female or male?"
"Neither. I'm BigEndian."

And yet, why does any of this information need to be collected? Humans are either male or female. There are no other sexes and why does gender identity actually matter?

Spaces should be single sex. Employment roles need to be balanced by sex and may have sexed based exceptions under the EA. Collecting gender identity is only useful if you collect everybody’s and there are at least 130, so this exercise by this department is meaningless.

Maybe you can froth about others pointing out how this is reducing options to this list some more. But the reality is your own frothing seems to have been based on your own philosophical belief that a gender identity is important for society to record officially.

Maybe you could explain why it is important to general society while you are here frothing about an article? You might be the first if you could make a coherent argument.

Embarrassing. I can’t bear to look at the list 🙈 Waiting for Chris Tarrant to pop up at any moment to tell people in Scotland that this is all just an elaborate nightmarish prank.

I've just realised how traditionally Scottish this is!!!!!! In a new way, history is repeating itself. Imagine.....

Census 1851, Scotland.
Are you:

Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
United Free Church
Methodist
Episcopalian
Original Secession Kirk
Auld Licht Anti-Burgher
New Licht Anti-Burgher
Auld Licht Burgher
New Licht Burgher
The other Seccession Kirk
Cameronian
Covenanter
Free Love Tulip Calvinist
...

The other church we don't mention

Are they rolling in so much money that they can afford to waste in such ridiculous shite?