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Girl with suspected autism faces 12-match ban for asking transgender opponent: ‘Are you a man?’

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rooshoe · 18/10/2024 18:20

m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/teenage-girl-17-with-suspected-autism-faces-12-match-ban-for-asking-transgender-opponent-are-you-a-man/a1896883124.html

It's in the Telegraph too but that's behind a paywall - has anyone covered this on here already?

I have girls (the female kind) who play this and other 'boy' sports. I'm so worried. To even question the situation could mean severe punishment. What is wrong with this world?!

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stickygotstuck · 07/11/2024 12:46

Boiledbeetle · 06/11/2024 17:07

She's been banned for six matches!

Girl footballer with suspected autism is 'banned' after asking transgender opponent: 'Are you a man? https://mol.im/a/14049239

That's absolutely shit.

I so, so hope I am wrong, but my money is on the girl giving up football altogether because of the effect of such unfair treatment. Getting over that could be impossible for an autistic youngster.

RadioBamboo · 07/11/2024 12:51

From the Telegraph report:

The panel is understood to have found the young woman repeatedly asked whether the alleged victim was a man after she had already been informed the opponent was transgender.

This presumably was the breach of the rules - to continue asking after it had been explained. Given the FA's position on transgender people playing in teams of the opposite sex, it does look like the girl breached the rules, which would justify a sanction.

RandySavage · 07/11/2024 13:01

Sorry, I’m busy today and don’t have time to RTFT, but I feel that something needs emphasising:

  • even if the girl doesn’t have autism
  • even if the beardy bloke has a certificate saying he’s a woman
  • even if the rules say he has a ‘right’ to be there
  • even if some of the other women participants are ok with him being there
  • even if he’s been playing ‘without incident’ for some time …

… she was still right to question why a hulking great big man was bullying women on a sports field.
No men in women’s sport. No men in women’s spaces. There are no extenuating circumstances.

Comtesse · 07/11/2024 13:05

What a load of rubbish. I would want to know why a person with a beard was really entitled to be playing on a women’s team.

lcakethereforeIam · 07/11/2024 13:26

If she asked if he was a man, but was only told he was transgender that doesn’t answer the question. No problem with a woman with a trans identity, who might have a beard, but would be little different to playing any other woman. Different story regarding safety if it was a bearded bloke. Just saying 'transgender' doesn’t clarify anything.

stickygotstuck · 07/11/2024 14:02

lcakethereforeIam · 07/11/2024 13:26

If she asked if he was a man, but was only told he was transgender that doesn’t answer the question. No problem with a woman with a trans identity, who might have a beard, but would be little different to playing any other woman. Different story regarding safety if it was a bearded bloke. Just saying 'transgender' doesn’t clarify anything.

Exactly.

I would want to know if this was a transwoman (man, so I won't play against him) or a transman (I would play against her).

MelodyMalone · 08/11/2024 00:47

maltravers · 07/11/2024 12:32

This is also reported in the Telegraph, including that the panel kept calling the alleged victim “he”, (which would rather flag up the reasonableness of the girl in asking if the “victim”/crybully was a man) and that “The FA decided against publishing written reasons for the case.” - you don’t say!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/11/06/girl-with-autism-banned-transgender-opponent-man/

I presume the panel will now be taking themselves to a panel for "transphobia" and "misgendering", then 🙄

Helleofabore · 28/01/2025 20:29

This is really concerning cake. Thanks for posting it.

She was banned for six matches, two of which were suspended, after accepting the charge brought under national FA rules that allow those born male to play in women’s matches. The teen was also forced to undergo an “online education course”, while her club were handed seven disciplinary points.

This is actually chilling reading. These poor girls and women players.

Boiledbeetle · 28/01/2025 20:37

Oh for fucks sake. This shit is not acceptable. The damage being done to these young girls is immeasurable. It has to stop.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/01/2025 20:39

Maybe the rest is football could discuss this??

oh no silly me, despite eleventy billion women asking them too discuss it, they won’t

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 20:48

Fucking vile.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2025 20:49

Also what about the disability aspect?

borntobequiet · 28/01/2025 21:27

Shocking. But not surprising, sadly.

JanesLittleGirl · 28/01/2025 22:36

There is Nazism in play here. You are entirely free to decide who might be leaning towards excessive authoritarian control.

Codlingmoths · 28/01/2025 22:41

FranticFrankie · 18/10/2024 19:56

It’s a bullying attitude towards the girl- just for speaking up and being honest.
Awful- it must be making her feel terrible. So stressful for her just because some male born person is offended
Stop the world; it’s time to get off

it is bullying, but is it not also a complete failure to allow in a reasonable way for her autism? So against the equality act to give her this ban?

maltravers · 29/01/2025 01:01

The Telegraph says:

“As with the ban imposed on the 17-year-old, the written reasons for the punishment imposed on the other teen have not been made public, even in a redacted form.”.

Cowards. They know it’s wrong.

Heggettypeg · 29/01/2025 02:14

Assuming there's nothing in these 2 cases that we don't know about (like being rude and abusive), shouldn't they be able to challenge on the basis of WORIADS, as per Maya Forstater's case? But I'm not a lawyer. On the face of it, it is an appalling curtailment of free speech.

ChateauMargaux · 29/01/2025 03:12

The 6 match ban is more than Zidane got for headbutting a player and more than is given for racist behaviour. It is insane!!

The re-education, silencing and compelled speech is insane.

Failure to protect the female category and females in that category is insane.

FA refuses to speak to campaigners on this matter and no one in football is talking about this.

The Sports Orgnisation of England, Scotland and Wales issued guidance in September 2021 requiring all sporting organisations to review their policies in respect of the female category and base eligibility in the female category on sex for all 'gender affected sport'. The FA should be sanctioned until it complies.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/01/2025 09:04

ChateauMargaux · 29/01/2025 03:12

The 6 match ban is more than Zidane got for headbutting a player and more than is given for racist behaviour. It is insane!!

The re-education, silencing and compelled speech is insane.

Failure to protect the female category and females in that category is insane.

FA refuses to speak to campaigners on this matter and no one in football is talking about this.

The Sports Orgnisation of England, Scotland and Wales issued guidance in September 2021 requiring all sporting organisations to review their policies in respect of the female category and base eligibility in the female category on sex for all 'gender affected sport'. The FA should be sanctioned until it complies.

Long overdue for the aptly named FA to stop bullying girls and women out of sport. It's predictable that the measures designed to root out racism and football hooliganism have been so swiftly used by misogynists to wedge men into women's sport?

outdamnedspots · 29/01/2025 09:23

ChateauMargaux · 29/01/2025 03:12

The 6 match ban is more than Zidane got for headbutting a player and more than is given for racist behaviour. It is insane!!

The re-education, silencing and compelled speech is insane.

Failure to protect the female category and females in that category is insane.

FA refuses to speak to campaigners on this matter and no one in football is talking about this.

The Sports Orgnisation of England, Scotland and Wales issued guidance in September 2021 requiring all sporting organisations to review their policies in respect of the female category and base eligibility in the female category on sex for all 'gender affected sport'. The FA should be sanctioned until it complies.

Totally agree with all this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/01/2025 10:27

I also think these are ripe for a court case.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/01/2025 10:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/01/2025 10:27

I also think these are ripe for a court case.

Agreed. But why is it down to women and girls to keep having to go to court to point out the illegality, sexism and dangers of men playing undercover against women and girls?

MarieDeGournay · 29/01/2025 11:56

When you play football against girls/young women, Stefanodad, you are doing so 'informally' and probably make every effort not to use your strength in a dangerous way. There is no evidence that biological males playing formally in women's sports control their physical advantage in this way, in fact there have been cases of injuries caused by male players.

I agree with you that there is a bit of a slant in these reports - they were not little girls, they were 17 and 18, and one had 'suspected' autism and the other ADHD and unspecified learning difficulties. That may explain that they asked, in the first place directly to the player 'Are you a man?' and in the second case to the ref 'Is that a man?' , in a very direct way.

As you acknowledge Stefanodad, these are very valid questions, that should have been handled differently and not with those outrageous match bans for the questioners.

The whole mess is because men are allowed play in women's football, and legally there is no way to stop them. The match ref is not in a position to overrule this. Once the ref has confirmed that as far as they are able to/allowed to judge, all 22 players on the field are eligible to play, there's no point in continuing to ask questions about it, no amount of repeating the question will get a different response, and the objecting team have to either play the team in front of them, or refuse to play.

The only solution is to get men out of women's sports, full stop.

A photo reminder of what this can look like - different sport, same issue - the ref queried the eligibility of the player on the right and was assured that yes she is a woman, because she says so, and TWAW, bigots!

Girl with suspected autism faces 12-match ban for asking transgender opponent: ‘Are you a man?’
MarieDeGournay · 29/01/2025 11:59

Sorry, I should have said I was responding to Stefanodad · 18/10/2024 20:36, I didn't realise it was on Page 1 and we're now on Page 6!

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