Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

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https://x.com/lindSAYhanNAH3/status/1844696180887794159

I've said it several times, the gender critical movement harms all women. Any women who doesn't meet the criteria of what a woman "should look like" is at risk of being wrongly accused of being trans.

Also makes me wonder about that other thread about FWSSport. If a woman with alopecia plays sport with other women are people who are gender critical going to mistake her as a man and report her to FWSSport who will store data on her?

Out of interest,what's the alternative? Allowing obvious men into women's safe spaces? Erosion of female dignity and opportunities? Even having their own language to describe themselves and experience? If the op story happened,that's sad: but does seem unlikely unless the shouter was just a nutter.

I didn't know you could see if someone was a lesbian. TBF some of the hetero school mums are quite butch looking to me but unmistakably women.

They say that abused people become hyper vigilant (even by the usual standards of womens' survival instinct). I'm less relaxed in single sex spaces than I used to be.

It is absolutely factual that human beings can, in the vast majority of cases, easily differentiate between male and female.
There is a small minority of people who have brain conditions that makes it hard or impossible for them to recognise people, even those they know well, but that is as irrelevant to this issue as DSDs are to human sexual dimorphism.
At species level, individuals recognise the sex class of another individual the vast majority of the time.
And well done on the bravery of any woman who risks injury and social exclusion to stand up for female spaces. I don't think I'd be courageous enough to chase a male out of a toilet.

This was a post by Lindsay Hannah. She's a female athlete who has total alopecia. She is gender critical and has posted on the matter of men in women's sports in the past. I don't understand why PPs are being so quick to dismiss her as a liar. I believe her.

So a woman who appears to have some gender critical views has been accused of being male in a women’s toilet by someone who sounds completely unhinged.

My local town centre is often full of nutters (alcoholics, crackheads, people with very broken MH) who shout all sort of things at passers-by. I tend to blame the Tories for that sort of thing, thanks to the huge cuts to services over the past decade or so.

I don’t know whether this woman was at an airport in the UK or elsewhere, but you can find nutters almost everywhere. You can also find people like religious fundamentalists who think that women ‘should’ be feminine and wear their hair long, wear skirts etc.

None of this has anything to do with the feminists of MN who have GC views. 🤷🏼‍♀️

It would be interesting to see whether the woman in question still has GC views herself or whether this incident has made her suddenly believe that males with trans identities can take part in women’s sports. Seems doubtful.

@Waitingfordoggo Lindsay didn't make any reference to GC views or otherwise - she just posted it as an example of the abuse that women with alopecia who dare to go out without a wig have to put up with. It was the OP who decided to re-purpose her post to push their own TRA views.

Makes sense @WhosPink. So the woman it actually happened to seemingly wants to raise awareness about her medical condition, but some people who don’t know her have decided to use her experience to further their own campaigns 🙄

Not quite. It didn't happen to the woman who has reposted the story. She has however posted it to raise awareness yes.

I don't buy this at all. It was clearly made up by a trans activist to cause trouble. You must think we all came down in the last shower.

Even if it were true, the fact that women are on such high alert due to males in our spaces is the fault of the trans activists that promote males in our spaces, causing women to be on high alert. This is more gaslighting for something that is the fault and complete doing of the trans activist movement.

This is classic gaslighting.
Insert males in female spaces;
females understandably get paranoid and are on high alert.
Now, blame women for their very understandable reactions to the influx of males.

CLASSIC GASLIGHTING. And shows how toxic the Mens Rights movement/trans movement is.

You think it's surprising that women are on naturally high alert to the presence of males? Did you really not think that through?

Do you blame rape victims for their reactions to male strangers, too?

Nope, don't buy they're GC. I'm active on GC twitter with following/followers around 2500 and have never come across them. (I've come across several trans activists passing themselves off as GC though to 'troll' GCers) I've heard two stories where women had side-eyes and one a question from another women in the ladies, and both of the women said they understood and appreciated other women checking. That's the reaction of GC women. To appreciate that other women do a safety to check make sure they're not male. They understand, they appreciate it and they are grateful for it.

Even if the OP's bizarre claim that GC views "harm all women" was somehow correct (and not merely an extreme overextrapolation from a single event), that wouldn't change the fact that we should reject trans ideology because it rests entirely on insane incoherent delusion.

👏👏👏It is a cynical, spiteful and nasty attempt to gaslight women and set us up and attack us for reactions from a threat, a threat that they push in the first place. This tactic is the lowest of the low. But as we're seeing with trans/mens activism, there is not lowest of low they will not stoop to. They will use medical conditions, anything to push their hateful and toxic anti-feminist agenda. It's no surprise they will stoop to using medical conditions. They have no humanity or decency.

It's akin to blaming a rape victim flinching from a male and saying her reaction is causing harm to males and all rape victims too.

It's from the gutter and the lowest cruelty towards women possible.

It's always the women's fault 🙄 Definitely not the fault of the men who can't keep out of women's safe spaces.

When women's & men's loos were separate women didn't feel anxious about men concealing themselves as women. Now there could be men with penises in any women's safe place & no wonder women are on edge & wary of anyone that could me a man. Men/'transwomen' are the problem not women.

Yeah, nah. GC women know and understand when someone suspects they're male. They don't go on twitter and attack fellow women for rightfully checking and safeguard.

Yep, it would be like a bullying mean girl mocking a girl who is bald with cancer. Saying 'you look like a male', doesn't mean they mean girl actually thinks they're male.

And women and our reactions are collateral damage for men in our spaces? Which is what you want?

"it will make some women more scared of questioning men."

And that, right there, is the motive of men like the OP.

Yes. The month immediately following pride is Disability month. But do businesses do a single thing? No. Because it is cheap and easy to put up coloured rainbows for pride - doing something for actual disabilities is 'too hard' and not attractive or pretty. Btw I never hear any of the pride cohort, not once - ever, mention at the end of the month 'and it's Disability month from tomorrow, don't forget'. They never mention it. That says it all. We should swap pride month for disability/alopecia month. But that of course, is too much effort and not as visually pleasing.

Honest question - are males who identify as women allowed in women's toilets? I can't seem to get a firm answer from Google. Anyone know the law on this? I'm guessing they are?

They can be kept out - lawful discrimination. If they are allowed in, it's unlawful discrimination against women because they have no privacy from men. Applies to males with a GRC if the facilities are communal. In self-contained, single user cubicles, grey area - as regards males with a GRC only. The EHRC has guidance.

👏And using a woman's medical condition to get at women who want single sex spaces is so low it is sub-gutter level. These people don't give a stuff about women like the one with alopecia. They only see what they can use them for. Not even a medical condition is off-limits to them. They rub their hands with glee. They don't give a stuff about this woman at all.

What's your point with that screenshot? That a woman got it right? If he were a woman he would have said so. The fact the man in this screenshot told her to 'fuck off' and didn't deny her allegations proves he was a man and she was right to send him out.

You've actually proved our point here. Are you confused?

Yep. That's it in a nutshell. There is no low mens rights/trans activists won't stoop to. Someone needs to notify Hannah that a MRA/TRA is using her for their agenda. Maybe the OP can apologise to her.

I looked up Hannah and her instagram, and it looks like he did happen to her, as she makes mention a couple of times in the days later to the incident shattering her and affecting her day.