Fws latest campaign

[Hoardasurass]

The lovely ladies at fws and sex matters are looking information about teams, leagues and competition's that are allowing men to play in women's sports

https://x.com/FWSSport/status/1841168440977211828

MRAs, like gender critical people, oppose trans rights. Often, it's hard to tell the difference.

The problem isn't the presence of trans women, then, is it? It's underinvestment in women's sport. There aren't many threads about that here, because transphobia rots the brain.

There hasn't been a single statistical study showing heightened risks of injury or the effect on prospects of winning, and the vast majority of women's sport is trans inclusive, because that's what the women who organise the matches decide.

"ITS NOT ILLEGAL TO reveal if someone is trans"

Yes it is. Any sports team or club who reveals to anyone if any of their members are gay or trans are breaking the law. And if it does happen I hope the police will be investigating this.

"FWS is trying to establish which sports teams and organisations are throwing women"

By asking the public "tell us what you know". And as I mentioned earlier there's the other concern of how will FWSSport verify the accuracy of the information they receive. I can't see how they can do this without themselves or others breaking the law or becoming stalkers?

MRAs and TRAs both place the feelings of men above the material reality of women's lives.

They may differ on trans-related issues:
All TRAs are MRAs.
Not all MRAs are TRAs.

Please could you let us know which Act of Parliament makes revealing that someone is trans illegal?

@dadjoke why do you speak for women?

I'm a single woman. Stop posting your nonsense.

Every study on the advantages of testosterone and male puberty is a study that comments on the effects on prospects of winning against men in women’s sport, and also the safety of competing against men.

thanks to @Christinapple for the careful questions/accusations, the answers to which mean many of us now have a far clearer understanding of the law regarding collecting data.

@EdithStourton I respect your position, and will not post in the Feminism forum again.

Heard that one before.

Yeah, this is a witch hunt.

https://transsafety.network/posts/trans-sports-individual-targeting/

"further investigation makes it clear that both Sex Matters’ sport advisor Mara Yamauchi and FWS Scotland are clear that the intention of this campaign is to catalogue members of a vulnerable minority in particular participating in women's sport in general.

A few days ago on October 1st, Mara Yamauchi said “do you know of males competing in the female category in sport? Please tell FWSSport and Sex Matters about them - who they are, which sports, how many positions, medals etc they've stolen from females & injuries they've caused”.

Following this up, FWS Sport campaign on Friday 4th October responded thanking one anonymous supporter calling for a hunt for “Warlocks lurking in our midst. Ladies, if you know of a dude trying to hide in plain sight in women's sport, pass it on!”

There can be absolutely no doubt — this is not a debate over sports governance and policy, this is a targeted campaign to draw up watchlists hunting members of a minority characteristic. The followers and supporters of these GC organisations clearly understand this from their response to the call to action and the organisations themselves are thanking people for carrying this witch hunt out."

If there was any truth or logic in these ridiculous claims, who thinks SM and FWS would have already considered this, and taken appropriate legal advice, and who thinks they are just silly women, too stupid for the thought to have occurred to them?

But surely the response to this will be "zero" ?

Because... TWAW
Or are TW not W, but male?
...confused

If that is the case, then thank you.

I'm not usually one for excluding men, but sometimes it's really rather pleasant to be allowed to formulate our own ideas from our perspective with our own needs at the centre. ESPECIALLY on a forum aimed at women, and ESPECIALLY on FWR and ESPECIALLY when the man in question uses GC people of 'harassing' transwomen, It shows in glaring Technicolor that the person in question doesn't see just how much women feel harassed by the whole trans agenda.

Also the report-happy authoritarianism, the denial, the CONSTANT projection (not to mention the not-wanting-of-people-to-find-out-the-facts) of the average TRA and their average white-knighting anti-woman MRA ally is on full display here.

Fantastic work as ever, chaps! #listentotranspeople

This is like the EDL asking people to report "non-white" players for "research purposes."

No, it's not, because sports do not have race categories. Sports rightly and reasonably have sex categories. What FWS are trying to do here is document cheating in the form of men competing in the women's sex category.

All MRAs oppose women's rights. They hate women, especially feminist women (the kind who don't pander to men or think it's women's job to put themselves second to male wishes at all times, can spot an abusive male at 50 paces, and think they and other women are perfectly entitled to say no to them) and minimise any attacks on them.

The funny thing is, MRA rhetoric sounds exactly like transactivists'. Since, regardless of outfit, they are all mostly heterosexual males, from a feminist perspective, these pretty much are the exact same people, they have the same views of women(the actual female kind) and which women they hate and wish to subjugate. They even use the same misogynistic threats to do so. They are all misogynistic men. Truly pathetic stuff.

"gay or trans" conflating sexuality with identity again.
References please to the exact parts of law which prevent me from saying "I went to a game of the local women's volleyball team, and their opponents allowed a man (ie adult human male) to play on their team, he played as their libero."
Mind, I have no interest in this man's sexuality. I object to him playing in the women's volleyball team.

Trans rights activists are men's rights activists. The two groups have identical aims which is to attack and undermine women's rights. Personally, I think it's a shame that Mumsnet allows men's rights activists to come on a feminist forum and spew their vile and hateful views. It's a bit like allowing racists onto an anti-racist forum.

If your example was real, what info exactly would you pass on to FWSport, and how would you prove it (proof is needed, anyone can make anything up and FWSport can't legally store and process inaccurate data)? As trans is a protected characteristic (extra data protection rules will apply) are FWSport going to then ask the allegedly trans person for their consent to store their data?

What's stopping a group of LGBT people and allies sending FWSport a bunch of emails with made up shit about sports teams with trans members?

I respect your position, and will not post in the Feminism forum again.

That would be marvellous then we wouldn't have to put up with the following false, risible nonsense being posted time and time again:

There hasn't been a single statistical study showing heightened risks of injury or the effect on prospects of winning, and the vast majority of women's sport is trans inclusive, because that's what the women who organise the matches decide

"As trans is a protected characteristic (extra data protection rules will apply)"

That comment is, as we say in data protection land, a load of old cobblers. Thereis no such thing as extra data protection for those with protected characteristics.

I used to wonder at the research that suggested that wrong sex hormones led to a drop in IQ. I'm starting to see more and more evidence that this may, in fact, be the case.

@EdithStourton you are clearly a woman with super powers! Thank you so much. It's always awful when the FWR board discussions are disrupted by angry hectoring men who won't listen, won't answer questions, distort and misrepresent responses, lie and report other posters to the authorities. Thank you for making this board a nicer place.

Don't suppose you could use your wondrous powers on other posters too? I don't mind debate but it never is debate and it never is honest.

@slug I think @Christinapple has fundamentally misunderstood Special Category Data… in this instance, of course, “substantial public interest” & “standards of behaviour in sport” have them covered 🤷‍♀️

There is also the Gender Recognition Act where sports teams/clubs etc are not legally permitted to identify to anyone if they have a trans member. It's a protected characteristic, FWS cannot legally demand to know who is trans.

Really, @Christinapple ?? What about women's basic right to safely and fair play? Don't you think women should be told if they're going to be playing against a 20-stone man? 🙄