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Fws latest campaign

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Hoardasurass · 06/10/2024 00:33

The lovely ladies at fws and sex matters are looking information about teams, leagues and competition's that are allowing men to play in women's sports

https://x.com/FWSSport/status/1841168440977211828

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Villagetoraiseachild · 06/10/2024 07:41

Good. This is important work.

Christinapple · 06/10/2024 21:16

Another way of saying "email us who trans people are where they live"?

Is it legal to compile a list of people who have a specific protected characteristic without their knowledge or consent and their details to provide a "map" of them to the public? Will ForWomenScotland be complying with the Data Protection Act regarding this data?

Or is this something Police Scotland should be taking a look into? This sounds like a very dangerous doxxing witch hunt. People who contact them with information on trans people may also be committing a criminal offence.

dementedpixie · 06/10/2024 21:18

They are not asking for specific names of the men infiltrating the women's sports, just for the teams that are allowing it to happen.

DisforDarkChocolate · 06/10/2024 21:19

No one is asking for names @Christinapple.

Organisations, teams. The ones who couldn't give a fuck if women are harmed.

Circumferences · 06/10/2024 21:31

That's great.
It's important to protect women from having to compete with blokes in their own sports!
This is one area with so little room for nuances most men agree too.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/10/2024 21:31

Christinapple · 06/10/2024 21:16

Another way of saying "email us who trans people are where they live"?

Is it legal to compile a list of people who have a specific protected characteristic without their knowledge or consent and their details to provide a "map" of them to the public? Will ForWomenScotland be complying with the Data Protection Act regarding this data?

Or is this something Police Scotland should be taking a look into? This sounds like a very dangerous doxxing witch hunt. People who contact them with information on trans people may also be committing a criminal offence.

It says teams, leagues and competitions. It's not asking for individuals names.

Rest assured though that we are going to ensure that not a single male is colonising female sport. We're not ever going to give up fighting against the unfairness and safety risk females are being exposed to.

Christinapple · 06/10/2024 21:35

DisforDarkChocolate · 06/10/2024 21:19

No one is asking for names @Christinapple.

Organisations, teams. The ones who couldn't give a fuck if women are harmed.

Looks like they are by this tweet. They want to know everything by the looks of it.

Even if names aren't mentioned on the "map" FWS are making with this list (which I hope they will be fully compliant with the data protection act and the gender recognition act?) I have concerns even just saying what specific teams/clubs have trans people attending will easily allow anyone to track them down and put them in danger.

This is a gold mine for stalking forums like kiwifarms.

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Circumferences · 06/10/2024 22:13

I don't have a problem with an organisation encouraging women to speak for basic fairness in sport tbh.

littlbrowndog · 06/10/2024 22:16

Women’s league tennis. I think 5th division

as we say he is taking a women’s place.

east of Scotland league matches

Christinapple · 07/10/2024 00:55

https://dpnetwork.org.uk/data-protection-principles/

Are FWS compliant with all of this? I doubt it, they are breaking multiple laws here.

The Data Principle principles include:

The Law- Collecting and using personal data needs to be done lawfully, and there are additional requirements when it is related to minors or vulnerable people (such as this case).

Fairness- Data can't be processed in a way that's unexpected, discriminatory or misleading. Any adverse effects on individuals need to be evaluated.

Transparency- FWS need to be a lot clearer about what data they are collecting and what exactly is going to be done with it. They haven't said much other than they will "map" trans women in sports. They also need to provide a privacy notice to the public explaining all this. These requirements apply from the start when data is being collected, but I don't see any privacy notice.

There's a section on purpose limitation. This may need to secure the consent of the trans people FWS are collecting data on (they are doing this? right? right?)

Data minimisation- data collected must be adequate, relevant and limited to what is necessary. The screenshot above shows FWS are asking for a lot of info about trans people e.g. "who they are" what does this mean? Why do FWS want names of trans women and what purpose are these names for?

Accountability- As a registered charity FWS need to provide evidence to the ICO they are compliant with all principles.

etc

There is also the Gender Recognition Act where sports teams/clubs etc are not legally permitted to identify to anyone if they have a trans member. It's a protected characteristic, FWS cannot legally demand to know who is trans.

Christinapple · 07/10/2024 00:59

Registered company I mean, not charity.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 07/10/2024 01:02

I’m sure you’ve already reported them @Christinapple It’s your usual MO isn’t it?

Christinapple · 07/10/2024 01:18

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 07/10/2024 01:02

I’m sure you’ve already reported them @Christinapple It’s your usual MO isn’t it?

Yes, and others have too. I will be making a report to their data controller too.

NitroNine · 07/10/2024 01:37

@Christinapple
You appear to have Germany’s new laws on self-ID & the very limited provisions of the GRA confused. It is illegal for someone who became aware in their official capacity that an individual holds a GRC to (other than in a few very specific circumstances^) share that they do/otherwise disclose their transgender status without said individual’s consent. Simply to state that another person is transgender is not illegal.

^ this obviously wouldn’t qualify under the exemptions; but nobody is going to break the law to assist FWS if there is even anyone in the country who would be in a position to do so!

Hoardasurass · 07/10/2024 11:31

Christinapple · 07/10/2024 00:55

https://dpnetwork.org.uk/data-protection-principles/

Are FWS compliant with all of this? I doubt it, they are breaking multiple laws here.

The Data Principle principles include:

The Law- Collecting and using personal data needs to be done lawfully, and there are additional requirements when it is related to minors or vulnerable people (such as this case).

Fairness- Data can't be processed in a way that's unexpected, discriminatory or misleading. Any adverse effects on individuals need to be evaluated.

Transparency- FWS need to be a lot clearer about what data they are collecting and what exactly is going to be done with it. They haven't said much other than they will "map" trans women in sports. They also need to provide a privacy notice to the public explaining all this. These requirements apply from the start when data is being collected, but I don't see any privacy notice.

There's a section on purpose limitation. This may need to secure the consent of the trans people FWS are collecting data on (they are doing this? right? right?)

Data minimisation- data collected must be adequate, relevant and limited to what is necessary. The screenshot above shows FWS are asking for a lot of info about trans people e.g. "who they are" what does this mean? Why do FWS want names of trans women and what purpose are these names for?

Accountability- As a registered charity FWS need to provide evidence to the ICO they are compliant with all principles.

etc

There is also the Gender Recognition Act where sports teams/clubs etc are not legally permitted to identify to anyone if they have a trans member. It's a protected characteristic, FWS cannot legally demand to know who is trans.

Except you are willfully misrepresenting both the law and the intention of both sex matters and for women Scotland. They are asking for information about teams, leagues and competition's NOT individual trans members, 2 completely different things (your gotcha post didn't come from them) also only staff who found out about a person having a GRC as part of their work are forbidden to speak about it under the GRA 2004. However they are NOT asking for details about anyone's GRC status (which you know but doesn't fit with your false narrative).
It doesn't matter if a male has a GRC or not all males can legally be and should be banned from female sports, services and spaces (read the equality act).
I have an honest question for you @Christinapple why are you so scared of people collecting accurate data on the number of males cheating in women's sports? Is it because you're afraid that people will start to object to the damage these men are causing or that the numbers are so large that even this Labour government will have to act to protect women sports from male cheats?

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Circumferences · 07/10/2024 12:04

Stonewall run a campaign encouraging people to report members of staff to their HR for "wrongthink".
It's fine to get people sacked in your workplace for going against Stonewall ideology.
Not fine to actually keep sports safe and fair for women.
I got it.

sanluca · 07/10/2024 12:15

Christinapples' response is fantastic.

Transactivists: What harm is there for males to compete in women's sports, it rarely happens. Show me examples

Women: Start collecting examples

Transactivists: you are not allowed to collect examples!

Really, Christinapple, what do you think women should do to be able to object to male people in women's sports and demand a change in policy as the current policy is unfair, discriminatory and dangerous? Nothing?

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 07/10/2024 12:16

I assume the concern about data extends to things like "LGBTQIA+" clubs in schools, where they are collating, storing and processing special category data about children.

No?

Christinapple · 07/10/2024 12:51

@Hoardasurass Hoardasurass, but they want to know "who they are".

Mara, in the tweet shown, is an office holder for Sex Matters(who are also responsible for the "project") is she not? So they are collecting Data on trans people, and the acts I have mentioned will legally apply to them whether they like it or not.

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ThisBluntPlumDreamer · 07/10/2024 13:20

Mara Yamauchi is an advisor to SexMatters; I doubt she's involved at an operational level.

But even if she were, this sort of data collection would fall under the exemption for journalistic or academic research with the intention of making a publication in the public interest (Schedule 5, Part 5, paragraph 26 if you want to look it up).

Hoardasurass · 07/10/2024 14:43

Christinapple · 07/10/2024 12:51

@Hoardasurass Hoardasurass, but they want to know "who they are".

Mara, in the tweet shown, is an office holder for Sex Matters(who are also responsible for the "project") is she not? So they are collecting Data on trans people, and the acts I have mentioned will legally apply to them whether they like it or not.

@ThisBluntPlumDreamer has answered your point so I don't need to. I do however notice that you've actively ignored my questions, it's almost as if your scared to do so, what are you scared of @Christinapple

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Igmum · 07/10/2024 15:14

sanluca · 07/10/2024 12:15

Christinapples' response is fantastic.

Transactivists: What harm is there for males to compete in women's sports, it rarely happens. Show me examples

Women: Start collecting examples

Transactivists: you are not allowed to collect examples!

Really, Christinapple, what do you think women should do to be able to object to male people in women's sports and demand a change in policy as the current policy is unfair, discriminatory and dangerous? Nothing?

This 💯☝️

This sounds like an excellent initiative by FWS (notwithstanding the misrepresentation by one of our resident TAs). No woman should be prevented from participating in sports or endangered by participating by the inappropriate presence of a man. Keep women's sports single sex.

Christinapple · 10/10/2024 22:57

FWSSport are now doxxing a woman with autism.

Funny how gender critical orgs hate women.

Hoardasurass · 10/10/2024 23:51

Christinapple · 10/10/2024 22:57

FWSSport are now doxxing a woman with autism.

Funny how gender critical orgs hate women.

Receipts or link please or it never happened, also when you say woman do you mean an actual biological female or a male with lady feelings @Christinapple

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EdithStourton · 11/10/2024 00:05

Incredible reading this thread.

Women are upset about our sports being infiltrated by men, leading to injuries and unfair competition.

Christinapple: 'Won't somebody think about the men?!!'

Bloody hell.

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