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Oh no Rosie

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InandOutlander · 28/09/2024 17:48

I'm so sad to see her go, she was the shining light within the Labour camp.

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IwantToRetire · 30/09/2024 17:57

I had wanted to read this thread from the point I stopped on saturday, but it seemed to have been hijacked by an obsessive who clearly has some personal hang up about RD.

Its clear, and we all know thaat RD had been treated like shit by LP HQ for her support of women's sex based rights, but like some other (in my mind) deluded women are loyal to the Labour Party and hope as a Government they would not act like Tories.

But within days / weeks of winning the election news about the amount of sleeze started to leak out. And as an example of how KS is now matching Boris in arrogant elitism, the one that really got me was the loan of a millionaire's flat for his son to study for his exams.

Then being whipped on an issue that should have been a matter of conscience / what her consistuents want (2 child limit) which even political commentators said was highly unusual. But presumably part of the mind bogglingly stupid Starmer concept that the best thing about his LP is that it isn't Corbyn. Just a party made up of mindless drones.

But then, sneakily, and behind the backs of MPs they have a vote of taking WFA away from pensioners. This again is such a breach of how party politics works, and cowardly, because Starmer and Reeves now Labour would have lost with this as a policy pre election

So the only hypocrite is the LP clique who came up with this brutal Thatcherite concept.

So funnily enough for those of us who do value integrity, RD did do that. She stuck it out on women's issues because it was / is at it were her personal politics she hope to bring to the Labour Party.

But as a long time Labour loyalist the votes she was being asked to make by empty as a shop front manniquin Starmer are against the "socialist" principles she obviously thought Labour might try and implement.

So it is the last straw for her.

And as others have said, who knows what her constituents have said.

And tough luck but constituents vote for an MP to represent them, who secondly is part of a particular political grouping.

No MP has to step down from their seat if they resign from their party, because they are the constituent MP.

And again as is usual with those who bang on and on because they cant believe nobody thinks like them, it would help if they were informed about our political system.

So guess what. In our rather muddled democratic process contstituents are able to de select an MP. Its called a recall petition.

So those who are obsessed and think it is too positively frightful than a woman hasn't toed the line of an oppressive arrogant male, why dont you start writing to local papers etc., and say it is all so outrageous, and RD must be publicly humiliated, you should start a recal petition.

I can believe it just got too much for her. the betrayal of principles.

But as I said at the start of this thread, I hope she did stand as a Labour MP knowing she would resign. Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. As she said last year, being in the Labour Party reminded her of the abusive relationship she was in.

The current MANifestation of the Labour Party can not command loyalty. Those at the centre of it have got to that position by stabbing people in the back all the way to that empty victory.

I'm hoping for a GE by the end of next year!

(And no I am not a Tory, but am embarrassed and dismayed at the pathetic Labour Party we know have when with the Tories losing votes all over the place they are so servile and cowardly they didn't take advantage of that to do something of benefit to the ordinary people.)

ILikeDungs · 30/09/2024 18:02

This is pretty spot on:

empty as a shop front manniquin Starmer

LongtailedTitmouse · 30/09/2024 20:05

The idea that MPs can cross the floor and not trigger a by-election dates back to the eighteenth century. So is hardly new or something not considered. It is rejected because MPs are individually elected as representatives of their constituencies, not delegates, who are entitled to develop their own arguments.

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 20:17

I had wanted to read this thread from the point I stopped on saturday, but it seemed to have been hijacked by an obsessive who clearly has some personal hang up about RD.

Who has merely posted an opinion on the thread, and then responded to posters who have engaged with what she has written. Wtf is the point of a discussion forum if people attract abuse for discussing the subject of the thread, and responding to posters who respond to them and their comments? Someone whinging that I responded to a post that they tagged me in.

Do you understand how stupid these complaints are?

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 20:18

I don't think crossing the floor should automatically trigger a by-election, btw. I think that Rosie Duffield morally should trigger one, and she knows it.

NoWordForFluffy · 30/09/2024 20:23

That's daft. Either it should or shouldn't trigger a by election. Not just trigger one if you disapprove of the timing. As it is, it doesn't, no matter how much bitching goes on about it.

LongtailedTitmouse · 30/09/2024 20:26

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 20:18

I don't think crossing the floor should automatically trigger a by-election, btw. I think that Rosie Duffield morally should trigger one, and she knows it.

Just RD, not anyone else, what a surprise.

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 20:28

LongtailedTitmouse · 30/09/2024 20:26

Just RD, not anyone else, what a surprise.

Have you found anyone else who quit their party weeks after an election? They should morally choose to trigger a by-election too.

LongtailedTitmouse · 30/09/2024 20:37

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 20:28

Have you found anyone else who quit their party weeks after an election? They should morally choose to trigger a by-election too.

Because governments should get a free pass for 3 months? 6 months? 2 years?

EasternStandard · 30/09/2024 20:39

Doing it so quickly is a poor mark on Starmer not RD

On that note has anyone else had a plummeting of personal polling so quickly post GE

Shortshriftandlethal · 30/09/2024 20:39

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 20:28

Have you found anyone else who quit their party weeks after an election? They should morally choose to trigger a by-election too.

To be fair, though, when was the last time a new government got off to a such an atrocious start....announcing measures that were not in their manifesto, and which went totally against their basic party values?

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 20:47

As I said before, most of her complaints were well-known before the election, and people were surprised she hadn’t left Labour before. But apparently she gave them a free pass just long enough to get elected on their manifesto and then decided that e.g. the treatment of Diane Abbott before the election was a ‘last straw’.

NoWordForFluffy · 30/09/2024 20:55

You've either not read the resignation letter, or you didn't understand it.

CassieMaddox · 30/09/2024 20:56

I mean, I hate to keep bringing it up but Johnson illegally proroguing parliament and shafting Northern Ireland to "Get Brexit Done" wasn't in his manifesto. Or Rwanda, which cost us £££.

NoWordForFluffy · 30/09/2024 20:58

Johnson never pretended to be anything other than a self-serving cunt though. 🤷‍♀️

CassieMaddox · 30/09/2024 20:59

Funny the different standards people judge politicians by.

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 21:00

NoWordForFluffy · 30/09/2024 20:55

You've either not read the resignation letter, or you didn't understand it.

I read the bits where it was clear that she had wanted to leave the party for ages. As was well known.

I also read the bit where she dodged the moral question of her ditching her party weeks after the election by insisting that her constituents voted for her 'independent-mindedness'

Did you?

NoWordForFluffy · 30/09/2024 21:01

Well, if you run a campaign which is based heavily on you telling the electorate that you're not a bunch of self-serving cunts like the last lot, then you turn out to be actually quite cunty, you can't really expect anything other than criticism levelled at you!

NoWordForFluffy · 30/09/2024 21:02

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 21:00

I read the bits where it was clear that she had wanted to leave the party for ages. As was well known.

I also read the bit where she dodged the moral question of her ditching her party weeks after the election by insisting that her constituents voted for her 'independent-mindedness'

Did you?

Naaaahh. Didn't bother. 🙄

Pluvia · 30/09/2024 21:02

LongtailedTitmouse · 30/09/2024 20:37

Because governments should get a free pass for 3 months? 6 months? 2 years?

Maybe MPs should just behave like nodding donkeys and rubber stamp everything they're asked to for the first 3 months/ six months/ 2 years. After which point they might be allowed to disagree. 🙄

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 21:09

Maybe, when they clearly want to leave a party and have done so for a while, with a litany of complaints, they should do it at the natural break point of a general election and give their constituents a fair choice of candidates instead of hanging on 'by their fingertips' for a bit longer to secure a 5 year £93k job and then resign, complaining about all those things that they knew about before they were elected for that party.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2024 21:11

LongtailedTitmouse · 30/09/2024 20:37

Because governments should get a free pass for 3 months? 6 months? 2 years?

No free pass needed I agree with you

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 21:13

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 21:09

Maybe, when they clearly want to leave a party and have done so for a while, with a litany of complaints, they should do it at the natural break point of a general election and give their constituents a fair choice of candidates instead of hanging on 'by their fingertips' for a bit longer to secure a 5 year £93k job and then resign, complaining about all those things that they knew about before they were elected for that party.

This literally shouldn't be an uncontroversial opinion.

People seem to think I have a problem with this because I have a problem with Rosie Duffield.

I think they don't have a problem with this because it's Rosie Duffield.

CassieMaddox · 30/09/2024 21:14

noblegiraffe · 30/09/2024 21:13

This literally shouldn't be an uncontroversial opinion.

People seem to think I have a problem with this because I have a problem with Rosie Duffield.

I think they don't have a problem with this because it's Rosie Duffield.

I agree. Some people are above criticism on here.

NoWordForFluffy · 30/09/2024 21:17
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Fucking hell...