Why is it seen as acceptable for a person be born the wrong sex but not the wrong ethnicity?

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I saw a somewhat recent article about Rachel Dolezal, the caucasian American woman who identifies as a black woman, and it made me wonder. Why is this clearly wrong but it is (largely) socially acceptable for a man to identify as a woman? She says she has always felt she was a black person from a young age, and she was denounced for this. But if you denounce a man for saying he identifies as a woman, you are a bigot?

Sorry if this is a thick question, I really don’t understand why one is wrong and the other isn’t (I know it is wrong to GC feminists but I mean widely speaking it isn’t seen as wrong). I understand why it is wrong to pretend to be a black person, just in case that isn’t clear.

This is garbled nonsense, truly.

@DanseFunebre was correct.

I reckon it helps white women feel as though they're genuinely the most vulnerable group.

How on earth does wondering why transgenderism is celebrated but transracialism is derided help white women feel as if they’re the most vulnerable group? And where does that leave the many black and brown women who wonder the same thing? We are all capable of critical thinking regardless of our ethnic background and when there is a failure of logic this big of course people of all ethnicities will ask why?

Zionism is about Israel. Do tell which opinions are cranky though?

Tell us why exactly?

Many people are opposed to a Jewish ethnostate - thats a fact.

Zionism is literally establishing a Jewish only state, where Israel is now. It's categorically not about establishing a Jewish only state elsewhere.

Pre 1948, many other locations for a Jewish state were suggested, all were rejected.

Please, show me the garbled nonsense?

Pre 1948, many other locations for a Jewish state were suggested, all were rejected.

Fuck me. Lots of people drop into FWR with odd opinions, but I didn't expect to see someone bigging up the Madagascar Plan.

.Tell us why exactly?

No, please, don't tell us why exactly! Not in this discussion, there are other threads covering these topics.

I respect all the opinions that could be expressed, but please don't derail a discussion about transracialism and transgenderism.

As an ethnic minority I’m sick of being erased from this conversion. How ironic that those of us who aren’t white don’t seem to enter into the equation at all. That certainly doesn’t make me feel completely invisible or anything like that 🙄 I suppose we’re an obstacle when people want to use this discussion to rail against white women as thinly-veiled privileged racists. We don’t exactly work in that narrative so best to just ignore our existence all together. Hooray.

And yes, I’m with no more derailing with rants discussions about Zionism. There are approximately 87 million other threads to discuss that.

You’re not erased, you’re literally talking right now, and nobody has deleted you.

A point of historical fact regardless of if you are comfortable with it.

Madagascar sure wouldn’t have invaded Lebanon this week would it?

And yet…

DojaPhat · Yesterday 22:25
This comes up again and again... and again. I reckon it helps white women feel as though they're genuinely the most vulnerable group.

I mean ffs, this thread was literally written by a non- white woman. So yes, we are in fact erased. And if you disagree with that, then what is the reasoning for the above quote? Is the idea then that we poor non-white women are at the beck & call of our white women overlords in creating threads and responses to help them feel like the most vulnerable group? No, because that would be ludicrous. The answer is that we’re either not convenient to their narrative, or so unimportant that we are not even in consideration. And there are more references like this throughout this thread. It’s offensive.

I'm out of this thread. I'm pretty easygoing, but I don't engage with blatant antisemites.

I have decided from here on to just let them yell into the wind and not engage. I remember there was a thread, can’t remember the topic now, but there was a poster who claimed to be 54% Jewish therefore she couldn’t be an anti-Semite, yet vomited the most disgusting anti-Semitic sentiments. Post after post was deleted.

Because a white woman identifying as black is racist or appropriation or something - either way it's not woke, unlike supporting trans rights. But that may not answer your question as you could still ask why this is the case. Why is it not woke to support women's rights and stop men who identify as trans trampling all over them?

I don’t know who pissed in your cornflakes, but it wasn’t me.

Nobody has said anything antisemitic. If I had I’d have been banned.

being anti Zionist is just the same, and indeed as protected, as being gender critical.

Don't be so ridiculous. Anti-Zionism is antisemitism dressed up in a new socially acceptable name. Anti-Jewish racism is not a protected characteristic.

Believing there should not be a Jewish ethnostate where Palestine and Israel is - is a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society. I can prove it because of all the people who go on marches and don’t get arrested.

just because it’s an opinion you don’t like. Doesn’t mean it’s racist.

That's not a belief worthy of respect, antisemitism rebranded as anti-Zionism is also not a belief worthy of respect and you haven't proved anything. Hope all the people enjoyed their immaculately timed antisemitic anti-Zionist march today.

Apologies to everyone else for contributing to the derail.

Please tell me what I said that was antisemitic and why.

you may not agree with people or marches today (I’ve never been in one) but I respect their right to do so. without calling them names.

just like I dont call gender critical people transphobes.

can you see the similarity?

You could always stop? Or perhaps justify your views rather than just name calling?

Because women come last in the hierarchy of disadvantaged groups as viewed by the woke brigade. Trans-identifying men (most of whom identify as lesbians so in other words, straight men role-playing as lesbians) are the most disadvantaged.

Yes, a man identifying as woman who is attracted to other women (aka a straight man) is definitely in, "now you're just having a laugh" territory.

What do you mean by woke brigade?

Why are you proud to be Anti Zionist? Pride, as an emotion, suggests that you think that being anti Zionist is somehow a morally superior position.