Women's jail campaigners demand transmen offenders should be kept in female prisons *Title edited at OP's request*

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Women's jail campaigners are demanding that the growing number of trans male offenders should be kept in female jails.

Dr Kate Coleman, of Keep Prisons Single Sex, said that the instances of women identifying as men mid-sentence is a “growing problem”.

But she believes that such prisoners should be treated as women - and that moving them to men’s prisons or a special “trans unit” would be misguided and dangerous.

“Whilst the focus, rightly in my view, has been on the risks that males who identify as transgender pose to women in prison, the challenges of adequately and appropriately meeting the needs of females who identify as transgender must be addressed.

“These needs must be met within the female estate.

“I understand that females who identify as men are difficult to manage.

“But there is no quandary about where to house her. She is female and belongs in the female estate. She must be managed in a way that is continuous with the way in which all other female prisoners are managed. Housing her in the male estate is not even a question that should be asked.

“This is for her own safety and for her own benefit as it is in the female estate that she will be able to access the services and programmes that are necessary for her to progress.”

NB Only extracts, NOT the whole article which can be read in full at https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/womens-jail-campaigners-demand-trans-33750904

They might be called that, colloquially, but they do not actually change anyone's sex, which is impossible.

I'm just waiting for someone to provide evidence for the claim that biological sex is unchangeable. It obviously depends on how one defines biological sex, which involves a political choice.

And by the way, according to millions of years of evolution, human beings can't fly either.

Which is just the sort of circular reasoning I'm trying to get past.

Biological sex is biological sex regardless of any linguistic gymnastics undertaken to change the words we use to describe it.

No one can change sex but feel free to provide just one example if someone who has.

People can’t fly btw. This shouldn’t be news.

But humans can't fly. They can, however, ride in flying machines.

So next time you cross the Atlantic you'll walk on the water, will you?

And the difference is...

Can anyone defend this claim without resorting to circular reasoning?

I will sit in a metal tube with big engines attached to it.

Ideally at the end where the champagne is served at the bar.

Are you the kid that just got expelled from school for taking magic mushrooms by any chance?

You can't prove a negative. The onus is on you to provide evidence for the claim that biological sex in humans is changeable.

And if anyone wanted a classic example of playing chess with a pigeon.....

And the onus is on you to explain exactly what you mean by biological sex.

No, but thanks for the thought.

Which role you potentially play in human reproduction.

So in order to have changed sex, a trans man would need to have the kind of reproductive system necessary to father a child, and a trans woman would need to have the reproductive system necessary to get pregnant and give birth.

Prof Robert Winston is an expert in human reproduction and he says you can't change sex.

And by the way, according to millions of years of evolution, human beings can't fly either.

They still can’t. What are you on?

What about these transmen’s feeling of validation and inclusion as men? This isn’t so important for trans people after all? Why are they scared of their 100% identical brethren?

It’s the same as in sports. Transwomen want to compete against women for fairness and inclusion. But many transmen athletes prefer staying in the female category, so inclusion/validation wasn’t so important after all.

But of course, I agree they must be in female prisons.

Just as transwomen must stay in male prisons. On reduxx.info you can see many examples of the deviants who really want to serve time in women prisons.

@Cassandrazone are you saying people have changed biological sex? Who exactly are those people? Oh and while you're at it who exactly is it that can fly? You seem very, very confused about reality.

Biological sex meaning - Biological sex refers to the biological and physiological attributes that typically classify a person as male, female, or intersex at birth. It is based on a combination of factors including chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive and other physical anatomy.

Transmen need to be in female estate for their own safety. They should not be given testosterone IMO for the safety of others.

Yes.

Can anyone defend the view that trans women are women without resorting to circular reasoning?

Errrr hate to break it to you - but humans can’t fly. Have you arrived on the right planet?

Errrr - the flying machine is a pretty massive difference.

How is it we know that clownfish have changed biological sex? Is it the lipstick? High heels? Or is it that they change from producing small gametes to large gametes or vice versa? Can humans do that?

Oh no! Another dead thread brought back to life by the usual whatabouterries.

Just because they do it doesn't mean anyone has to respond.

Let them start their own thread not insult the purpose of the thread to waste everyone's time.

Dont feed the trolls.

Humans can't fly ((they can operate an aircraft which can)
Humans can't run faster than a speeding train ((they can operate an vehicle which can)
Humans can't make holes in steel (they can operate an electric drill which can)
Humans can't lift 2 tons ((they can operate an fork lift which can)

You may be thinking of Superman, but he isn't human and is also fictional which is appropriate in this case because so are the people who changed sex

Blackface is a crude disguise to make a white person look black but is not close to being realistic.

Gender-affirming surgery is a crude disguise to make a person look like the other sex, but is not close to being realistic.

A JP friend told me a transwoman would be sent to a male prison but would be segregated for their own safety. It reminded me of a programme not long ago inside a prison in Italy where transwomen are segregated from men and may have supervised interaction, but are nowhere near the female prisoners. That seems a fair balance.

I've only seen one (quite passable) transman even attempt to go to a male prison, who sensibly refused to house her.