Moira Deeming defamation trial - Thread 2 from Australia

[TheSandgroper]

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5167282-in-australia-moira-deeming-defamation-trial-now-on?page=40&reply=138525746

Tribunal Tweets Substack https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/moira-deeming-v-john-pesutto-a-case?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share. Thanks to @BezMills

Thanks to everyone on thread 1. I am pleased it generated such interest and conversations. I have learnt a lot from many very bright women.

I would think that the Fin Review is another media outlet that is not quite understanding what has been said in court and how this has been misquoted.

Sewell said a ‘vanguard for fhe women’ - and did not say ‘vanguard for Let Women Speak’. Then the group have clarified that they oppose feminists.

We can just keep reposting the video with the timings and exactly which ‘women’ these men stood within touching distance behind. With banners that match the theme of those women raising awareness about safeguarding and ‘the 28’.

No worries. Happy to keep doing it.

Here is a call to action from the ‘Protect the Children’ group.

https://x.com/aytchellesse/status/1840967589490802870?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

The tweet is a link. The tweet is from Holly Lawford Smith, who no doubt is one of the lesbians that Moira Deeming ‘hyperbolically’ referred to as someone who actively supports Moira.

Again, it seems that when someone cannot prove that Moira Deeming is lying, they resort to criticising how she says things rather than the substance of what she says. It seems to be a theme in this court case.

Historians
Psychologists
Biologists
Artists
Poets
Indeed, Academics of all colours

Have all wondered why the public fell for the propaganda.

One woman goes to the source and explains it, and she gets called a Nazi.

This is the way.

If it was just Sewell I'd give benefit of the doubt.
The thing is, it keeps happening (proud boys, hearts of oak, sewell). She keeps going on far right platforms. Once can be written off. Multiple times looks different.

She can't

She doesn't have to hand them the mic. She could say "I'm not letting men speak, sorry".

She could stop retweeting their content.
She could refuse to go on their podcasts.

She chooses not to. Fair enough, but she can't expect the rest of the world not to notice.

Ah now, you said that MD was at a rally which was also attended by a Nazi group.

@CassieMaddox “I'm baffled how Moira Deeming thinks its defamatory for people to raise concerns about Nazis being at a rally she attended”

What rally was MD at that the Nazi group were also attending? I’m just wondering as the Nazi group had a permit for their own separate rally. Unrelated to the LWS rally. Indeed they were separately escorted there by the police. And the LWS rally were very concerned when it was obvious the police had escorted them nearby as they very quickly sent a communication to the Australian Jewish Association about it.

Even if your concern is a smear by association (which appears to be the basis for which you keep repeating that MD was at the same rally as them, when she was not) , the fact they had an anti paedophile/ anti paedophilia banner is relevant to the discussion. That is what their rally was allegedly about.

Are we at the stage where someone is pretending the only ‘good’ guys are the violent thugs who smashed their fists into LWS, the police and even the poor horses.

I hope those who profess such concerns about the Nazi group being given permits, and being escorted around the place by police are contacting their legislators and police about their concerns.

Also about the violent thugs who smashed their fists into people and beasts. Because if anyone was acting like a Brownshirt, it was them.

The hyperbole is Deeming claiming trans people and gay people are her biggest fans. Not that individual lesbians support her

Cassie's back on form reporting posts she doesn't like.

Can people stop engaging please?

I'll echo this. I have read these tendentious arguments on multiple threads. Just give it a rest it's just boring and futile.

Has anyone the details of the questions and answers directed at Crozier? I haven’t seen one on this thread. And not on X.

I had a break but then got a "mumsnet calling" because other people were reporting me. So I'm sticking to guidelines again

Indeed Gail.

This is a note for those reading along.

So far we have one ex-proud boy in Miami who spoke after a had denounced the proud boys publicly. And no transcript has been produced that I have seen from those who make this accusation (not just on Mn) so people can assess for themselves what the man said.

We have two people attending a publicly open, unticketed event in Brighton which they live-streamed without announcing who they were or introducing themselves. They didn’t contribute at all at the event, just live streamed.

And we have a group of Neo Nazis who attended to support the ‘Protect the children’ group of mostly women who hold regular rallies on the steps of the Victorian Parliament House. Nothing to do with Let Women Speak although erroneously reported by the Victorian Liberal leadership and repeated by media who lazily repeat sound bites without doing the research themselves.

LWS events are open for any female person who wants to speak. Very rarely, if there is time, a man can speak. They can be of any political belief. Female trans people have had the opportunity, mostly they waste it through shouting mantras and not using the time wisely. But they are free to do this. Apparently though, open mic should not be ever allowed as a platform because it means that the organised is automatically aligned with that person.

So KJK has had more than one trans rights activist at the microphone, so by that standard, she is also a transgender rights activist.

KJK is a KJK promoter. She doesn't care who speaks at her events (unlessthey disagree, like Lydia Thorp). But that means she amplifies people who others won't platform, like proud boys.
You might not care. But other people do and they/we are entitled to.

Any transcript at all of the Crozier questioning?

Just repeating this.

Moira Deeming did not say ALL lesbians and trans people were her biggest fans. To state that or imply that is what she said would be a misrepresentation of what she said.

“Deeming could be heard saying there was no evidence she said anything transphobic or homophobic and asking the leadership team to defend her.”

“ “My biggest fans are gay people and trans people,” Deeming could be heard saying. “I could get a row of lesbians to stand around you at a press conference and back you up.” “

archive.is/TeYwa

Just to repeat:

The man who spoke in Miami had denounced the Proud Boys. He was not at the rally as a Proud Boy, had denounced the Proud Boys and was speaking against medically transitioning children.

Unless evidence is produced that any Proud Boy has been handed a microphone, any reference to Proud Boys speaking at events made by YouTubers and other people on social media and other media would be a falsehood.

She doesn't care. It's a mud slinging operation. The mud will be slung all day and all night.

Facts and proving things will not change anything.

It’ll just be rinse and repeat. A bit like Pesutto trying to smear, having to retract, then trying to smear again.

Yeah. But I think those people
reading this thread should be able to go and look at links to see the original source if possible but also know full context even if original source is not linked.

After all, we know posters can make whatever claims that they want.

The people reading are fucking sick of it.

It's every single thread. Pages and pages of it. Tens of thousands of posts.

The problem is you're taking it seriously, trying to have an conversation/dialogue. There's no point.

I understand. But I tend to disagree. Because people are reading along. There are still people who don’t have the depth of knowledge that you and I and others do. I tend to be a bit optimistic here, I will take that on the chin.

I think if we don’t counter misinformation such as some links posted that have done no research or are pure opinion works, that misinformation will keep reappearing unchallenged. I know that is different from other’s views, but I reckon it is ok to disagree on this.

But I am also not having any particular dialogue as such.

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference”

This can be true too.