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Les Bas Bleus, The Bluestocking...

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ErrolTheDragon · 20/09/2024 19:07

En franglais, in English .... open to all women for company, fun and fabulous artworks. Leave unwanted reality in the porch and come along in.

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DeanElderberry · 26/09/2024 13:09

Dear AI. Awfully nice women don't have to wear torture shoes. Neither do nasty women. Or any other women.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2024 13:10

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 13:06

Errol: Can we assume that if the goats will eat it then it'd be ok for human consumption?

I thought goats were reputed to steal the washing off your line & eat it. That's a no from me to the idea of stewed socks.

Ah, my question was strictly in relation to plantsGrin. That's got shades of Charlie Chaplin eating his shoes. And it's all far too colourful for the authentic mediaeval, pre-Columbian menu.

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Boiledbeetle · 26/09/2024 13:10

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 12:51

It seems to be working. I'm always surprised that the Bluey trends in FWR yet we get so few new members. Well done everyone for putting them off!

To illustrate this concept, I asked the AI for "Bluestocking pub guarded by fierce women & quokkas". The results were not quite what I had in mind. 😂Still, plenty there for any cosplay enthusiasts to get their teeth into. Sewing machines out!

AI has a serious boob fixation of the anime variety. (Briefly wonders as to the sex f v m percentages of the big tech firms AI coders)

inkymoose · 26/09/2024 13:17

Boiledbeetle · 26/09/2024 13:10

AI has a serious boob fixation of the anime variety. (Briefly wonders as to the sex f v m percentages of the big tech firms AI coders)

AI is promoted by all the massive tech firms. If you ask a question on Google you get an annoying AI answer first. I suppose at least it's identifying itself as AI instead of just pretending it's something else. But yes, I'd say images of women are stereotyped to the nth degree. Young women are vacuous and groomed and shiny, middle-aged women are ancient, old women are invariably crones. If you ask for feminists you often get an image of women with beards as well as boobs.

Boiledbeetle · 26/09/2024 13:19

Let's see what mine can come up wit

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 13:21

Just for the Dean, I asked for "Bluestocking pub guarded by awfully nice women in sensible shoes & quokkas"

I got The Blwestocking Pub guarded by a troupe of Margaret Thatcher impersonators in high heels.

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lcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2024 13:28

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 13:01

So then I tried "Bluestocking pub guarded by awfully nice women & quokkas"...

The second one has a nice Australian feel to it, & I'd love to know what an AROTERP is. The third one is something else, though. Where the heck did AI get all that from? The Arking of Attur Sapinisings??? And what appears to say 'ethnically ambiguous' in AI-ese???

The second one has a Deliverance feel to it.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 13:29

@Boiledbeetle Hah! I love the warning.

The last one looks like there was a fire drill, & half of the quokkas were in the Bluestocking Spa.

Just putting up some new mosaic panels in the corridaor to the spa...

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DeanElderberry · 26/09/2024 13:32

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2024 13:10

Ah, my question was strictly in relation to plantsGrin. That's got shades of Charlie Chaplin eating his shoes. And it's all far too colourful for the authentic mediaeval, pre-Columbian menu.

No, the colours are very medieval, all that woad and madder and dyer's greenweed and clubmosses weren't being traded across Europe for nothing, clothes were very bright.

Boiledbeetle · 26/09/2024 13:33

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 13:21

Just for the Dean, I asked for "Bluestocking pub guarded by awfully nice women in sensible shoes & quokkas"

I got The Blwestocking Pub guarded by a troupe of Margaret Thatcher impersonators in high heels.

Gave it the same prompt - didn't ask for any signage but it gave me some nonetheless!

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Boiledbeetle · 26/09/2024 13:35

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 13:29

@Boiledbeetle Hah! I love the warning.

The last one looks like there was a fire drill, & half of the quokkas were in the Bluestocking Spa.

Just putting up some new mosaic panels in the corridaor to the spa...

It does rather doesn't it!

Liking the corridor panels!

DeanElderberry · 26/09/2024 13:38

Women. Nice. Flat shoes. Trousers. Varied age profile. Varied size profile. Hair kempt and in some cases actually short. Please.

I feel a little sorry for east asian serfs locked in factories trying to teach AI to respond to demands, but I also find the tech's sheer ineptness quite reassuring.

I liked that woman pointing out that misuse of sewing scissors is bad. A good role model, AI could learn something from her.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2024 13:38

No, the colours are very medieval, all that woad and madder and dyer's greenweed and clubmosses weren't being traded across Europe for nothing, clothes were very bright.

But not the rest of the meal...New World solanums and newfangled orange carrots.Grin

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inkymoose · 26/09/2024 13:45

DeanElderberry · 26/09/2024 13:38

Women. Nice. Flat shoes. Trousers. Varied age profile. Varied size profile. Hair kempt and in some cases actually short. Please.

I feel a little sorry for east asian serfs locked in factories trying to teach AI to respond to demands, but I also find the tech's sheer ineptness quite reassuring.

I liked that woman pointing out that misuse of sewing scissors is bad. A good role model, AI could learn something from her.

It feels like we are up against something that is ballooning out of control. I absolutely agree with you about the East Asian serfs. I also agree with another poster (@RaspberryParade ?) about the damage that AI can do and is doing to actual artists and in particular women artists. The trouble is there's something so tempting about trying to get it to do what you want. It will never do what we want. I'm shortly going to stop using it because I think it is also bad for me. I love visual art, and I'm fascinated by all the mistakes the AI makes, but I'm going to tear myself away from it for my own sanity.... meanwhile I shall just post this image of "radical middle-aged women wearing trousers, dungarees and shorts, enjoying cake and vodka in the bluestocking pub". One of the women does have a beard so she's obviously very radical.

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inkymoose · 26/09/2024 13:47

Yikes! I just slipped into reality reality. I'm getting right out of there right now! Pass the tunnocks, pour me a large chocktail, and I'll see you over in pedantry corner.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2024 13:50

I let my AI have a go at it. I decided to go with 'cared for' in case 'guarded' was sending it down a martial road and I specified the shoe to, hopefully, limit the shenanigans.

Batch 1. I don't think my AI knows what a quokka is😢

It did, however, give me the prompt 'make me curious' which did make me....and the AI generated this charming vignette

Imagine stepping into The Bluestocking pub, where the atmosphere is a delightful blend of vintage charm and quirky fun. The pub is lovingly cared for by a group of friendly women, each sporting stylish brogues that click softly on the wooden floors. As you settle in, you notice the most unusual yet adorable pub assistants—quokkas! These cheerful little creatures add a touch of whimsy, greeting patrons with their signature smiles.
Would you like to see a visual representation of this charming scene?

Would I? You betcha!

Batch 2😬Wtf! May I draw your attention to the 2nd image and the charming, quirky and vintage figures flanking the pub sign? An elderly leather fetishist on the right, and on the left....😳

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MarieDeGournay · 26/09/2024 13:51

Things move so fast here, nip out to the shops and by the time you get back, the window of relevance has zipped by🙄
But here goes, re the 'artisinal' 'sourdough' 'foraged' thing - might I suggested saying that the artisinal/foraged/etc ingredients have been curated?
and

ifIwerenotanandroid
Just for the Dean, I asked for "Bluestocking pub guarded by awfully nice women in sensible shoes & quokkas"
I got The Blwestocking Pub guarded by a troupe of Margaret Thatcher impersonators in high heels.
I think it looks like the Blwestocking is the meeting place for off duty cabin crew from the local low-cost airline..

AAAND - I'm getting maximum value out of this post!

'fierce' is one of the many intensives in Hiberno-English, as in:
'That ifIwerenotanandroid is fierce handy with the oul' AI'.
Alternatives are 'savage'
'That BoiledBeetle is savage with the AI'
and 'wild'
I heard someone on the radio this morning saying that in her area, 'It's very small' would come out as
'It's wild wee' Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2024 14:22

The 'art' generators have very limited 'understanding' of words, I think.

I thought I'd try asking ChatGPT for a medieval recipe but accidentally mistyped 1400.
Generate a recipe for an artisanal soup or stew, using only ingredients which were available in the British Isles and Ireland before 2400

Pleasingly it decided I meant 2400BC so, for your delectation - and assuming pallid carrots :

Here’s a recipe for a rustic, artisanal stew inspired by ingredients available in the British Isles and Ireland before 2400 BCE. This dish combines wild game, foraged herbs, and ancient grains, creating a hearty meal that would have been familiar to early inhabitants of the region.
Ancient British Isles Venison Stew
Ingredients:
• Venison or wild game meat (rabbit, boar, or deer): 1 kg, cut into bite-sized pieces
• Barley: 150g, soaked overnight
• Wild garlic: A handful, roughly chopped
• Leeks: 2, sliced
• Carrots: 2, chopped
• Parsnips: 2, chopped
• Turnips: 2, chopped
• Water: 1.5 liters
• Sea salt: To taste
• Fresh thyme: A few sprigs
• Sorrel: A handful, chopped
• Nettles: A handful (optional, for a slightly bitter, earthy flavor)
• Hazelnuts: 50g, crushed (optional, for added texture and flavor)
• Honey: 1 tablespoon (optional, for a touch of sweetness)
Instructions:
1 Prepare the Meat: If using wild game, trim any excess fat and cut the meat into bite-sized pieces. If the meat is tough, consider marinating it in water with a pinch of sea salt for a few hours or overnight.
2 Sauté the Vegetables: In a large pot or cauldron, heat a small amount of rendered fat (from the game meat) or water. Add the leeks and wild garlic, sautéing until softened and fragrant.
3 Add the Meat: Add the venison or game meat to the pot, browning it on all sides. This step helps to deepen the flavor of the stew.
4 Cook the Stew: Add the soaked barley, carrots, parsnips, and turnips to the pot. Pour in the water and bring the mixture to a gentle boil.
5 Simmer: Lower the heat, cover the pot, and let the stew simmer for about 2-3 hours, or until the meat is tender and the barley is cooked through.
6 Add Fresh Herbs: About 15 minutes before serving, add the fresh thyme, sorrel, and nettles (if using). Let these herbs infuse the stew with their flavors.
7 Finish and Serve: Adjust the seasoning with sea salt to taste. If desired, stir in the crushed hazelnuts and a drizzle of honey before serving.
8 Serve: Ladle the stew into bowls and enjoy it with a slice of ancient grain bread or oatcakes.
Notes:
• Barley was a staple grain in ancient times and adds a pleasant chewiness to the stew.
• Wild garlic and sorrel are foraged herbs that were common in the British Isles.
• Nettles were often used in traditional cooking for their nutritional value.
• Hazelnuts and honey could have been found in the wild and add a unique touch to the stew.
This stew is a comforting, hearty dish that captures the flavors of the land and the traditions of its early inhabitants. Enjoy the taste of ancient Britain!

4o

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 14:33

MdeG: might I suggest saying that the artisinal/foraged/etc ingredients have been curated?

Oh, they absolutely have been. On a grazing table - is that the right phrase for chucking everything down together without plates? And I think we need Errol's ancient grains in there somewhere.

The linguistic bit is fascinating, though I don't think anyone wants 'wild wee' about the place.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 14:34

@ICakeThereforeIam Why does the 6th one say 'South Asian'?

DeanElderberry · 26/09/2024 14:35

rabbits? turnips?? not sure about parsnips either. and I remember a debate about leeks rumbling on.

Nettles are excellent and taste neither bitter nor earthy but they're a Spring food - prehistoric eating would have been seasonal in ways we can't imagine any more. In the winter, traditional Christmas foods are a good model - meat fat, dried fruits, grains, flavours, mixed together to give something fancier than everyday pease porridge.

2,400 BCE all very well, but what cooking methods is it going to suggest for Ireland in the largely aceramic early medieval period?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 14:36

Inky: One of the women does have a beard so she's obviously very radical.

Or post-menopausal. Don't ask.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/09/2024 14:37

• Nettles: A handful

Ouch!

ErrolTheDragon · 26/09/2024 14:40

Oh you're right, rabbits are newbies aren't they? Maybe hare?

what cooking methods is it going to suggest for Ireland in the largely aceramic early medieval period?

I don't know - surprised to hear anywhere in Europe was without pottery by then!
This thread is getting more educational that I'd expected!

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DeanElderberry · 26/09/2024 14:44

We had pottery through the prehistoric period but for some reason post-Iron age it went all wooden bowls and stave-built vessels, and possibly cooking in skins, so-one knows for sure.

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