In Australia - Moira Deeming defamation trial now on

[TheSandgroper]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-17/moira-deeming-john-pesutto-defamation-trial-day-two/104360100

This is from our very TRA ABC. Please note the comment from “Mr Southwick, a Jewish MP re Angie Jones’ tweet”. Well, Angie Jones is as Jewish as they come but they don’t say that.

Also, for, those who don’t know, see Angie on m.youtube.com/@TERFTalkDownUnder, though she hasn’t posted for a while. Some really good interviews.

She very clearly does not think that. And when she says she doesn't you'll accuse her of being disingenuous/a TRA or say "everyone can see it"
I'm 100% fed up of these tactics. It makes it impossible to engage.

So shutting up women you don’t agree with is a feminist position🤣.

well I never.

let’s not forget the reason many wanted to shut deeming up has nothing to do with pro life views and everything to do with her not believing that some men are women and that children shouldn’t be harmed by gender ideology.

Doesn’t it worry you Cassie that in the context of gender ideology in Australia (Tickle v Giggle) you are going after the wrong people 🙄

The thread reader/Twitter account that Cassie linked is biased but factually correct from what I watched today.

@CassieMaddox If you find another Twitter account live tweeting can’t you just ask threadreader to unroll it and then it’s available on thread reader?

Here's the full quote:
But Messina doesn’t this all boil down to the fact that fundamentally you don’t think that women with different views to yours should be given a voice.
Not a question. A factual statement you made about what she thinks. It is not a reasonable way to approach a debate as it forces a yes/no answer and makes people defensive.

I suspect however its more important to you to be able to discount her views as "disingenuous/lefty/TRA" or whatever.

I see very little difference between that behaviour and the behaviour you claim to despise from TRAs. Projection. Mind reading. "Them and us" thinking.

Thanks for looking at that Feral 👍

I forgot the question mark it was intended to be a discussion but nevernind 🤷‍♀️

I don’t think that Messina is a TRA 😮

I don't ever actually tweet anything, I only have an account to read.
If someone else finds one I'd much prefer a GC source. I can't find one. Most GCs I read are either studiously ignoring it or tweeting about KJK and the settlement, there is very little about what's actually being said in the trial.

I'm not "going after" anyone. I'm commenting on the trial and my observations of what is happening.

If Deeming loses that is going to be harmful as it will cement the TRA view that GC=Nazi. It would be better for her to have settled than to lose, as far as I can see she is the one forcing this to trial.

Maybe she will win but so far I'd say it looks a bit shaky.

I will criticise people who have come to a GC position from a conservative/religious perspective where their beliefs harm women.

It is clear your lack of understanding of what ‘gender critical’ means has not moved forward. Or feminism.

‘Not going after anyone’

You really do live in some alternate universe.

Right I'll let you get on with it. Because honest discussion is not your thing and it gets very tedious.

This again.

Your intentions are very clear from the years of posts we’ve all been able to read.

What does this mean exactly? My "intentions" are second wave feminist. It says on the diagram "accept gender variation". Yes. I accept some people are trans, always have accepted that, always will. I don't think those people are actually the sex they identify with and I don't think they should be treated as such.

I don't see why I should suffer snide remarks like this for having an entirely mainstream view within GC feminism.

By being hostile and making snide remarks like this you are going to shut down posters who share my views but aren't as willing to state them in the face of hostility.

I see the behaviour as very akin to purity spiralling or shouting "TWAW bigot!" at people.

Challenge the point not the person.

I'm having an honest discussion. Shame it's too much for you. See you around.

Yes I'd say my position has remained consistent. Not sure that's a bad thing. I would hope there is room for a plurality of views in the GC tent.

No. I don't think that. If the situation happened with a male representative of Parliament, I'd be saying the same thing. Her sex has no bearing on my views.

Peta Credlin was an advisor to Tony Abbott, but now runs a show on the quite conservative Sky News channel and is a columnist for The Australian. So it is accurate to describe her as a journalist.

Unless they are conservative or religious?

A journalist with quite an insight into how the Liberal Party works, and how politics work in Australia. She’s probably still well connected to politicians.

@FeralWoman

A journalist with quite an insight into how the Liberal Party works, and how politics work in Australia. She’s probably still well connected to politicians.

Sure. That's why she writes a political column and has the space on Sky.

Thank you.

"No, I don't. She was counselled by the Leadership team previously, a number of times."

Being "counselled" for what though. You keep making these vague claims that just don't stand up to the evidence.

Counselled for not following the Victorian Liberal Party election strategy? yes. she has been counselled about that. Do you believe that the Liberal Party at the federal level has a mandate that support the prioritisation of gender over sex where sex matters and to fully support the medicalisation of children to affirm their gender? Does the Victorian Liberal party?

What else has she been 'couselled' on?

Thank you for finally listing the beliefs you think are not acceptable to the Liberal Party.

"pro-life, climate skepticism, Covid skepticism, Trumpism".

I think we have cover the abortion issue already. But just to repeat, she is against abortion personally but she has stated she supports the current laws that are very clear to allow women to choose to have abortions.

"Climate skepticism"

Please provide evidence for this.

Because I have not seen her deny that there is a major issue with climate change. What she has said is that the Victorian government has made some panicked bills that don't make sense and have caused significant issues to some of her constituents and to people of Australia in general. And I have to agree with her on some of these things.

Here is her speech about the energy issue which is all I can find about climate skepticism. Is this what you mean?

www.facebook.com/MoiraDeemingMP/videos/1787172461763133

She is calling for a better plan. She is raising the alarm that the issue needs to be addressed by a solid long term plan and not just setting dates and targets that are unachievable.

And I was in country when Dutton announced the Nuclear plan to phase out the fossil fuel usage. What Moira Deeming is saying is what Dutton has said.

So, if it is not her views on energy, can you please link up what she has stated that has led you to accuse her of being a climate skeptic.

"Covid skepticism"

Was she skeptical of covid or of the vaccines and the Victorian Premier's lockdown laws and actions?

Two things here. I don't believe that she is a lone voice in her harsh criticism of the Victorian lockdown laws. Plus these things were out in public domain before she was pre-selected!

If the Liberal Party selected her as a candidate for her electorate knowing she had made very public statements about covid vaccinations and lockdown laws, how does this make her unacceptable to the Victorian Liberal Party? There is no logic to this claim.

"Trumpism"

I looked for her supporting Trump, and this is all that I can find.

https://x.com/MoiraDeemingMP/status/1812275693868523552

Is this it? She made a comment that Biden has misspoken in a way that she felt was irresponsible. Is this what you call her 'Trumpism'?

I gave the page numbers and the columns where the information could be found. This is because the information wasn't confined to one area only on the page, but a few areas. I'm sorry if a few people couldn't follow such instructions.

You know full well that it doesn't say what you infer it said, which is why several people have asked you to copy and paste the exact words you are referring to.

You are making inferences about someone's 'extreme' views with no justification and as we can see and has been explained to you, if we let this go we are at risk of your inferences putting women at risk.

So again, which words are you referring to? It is simple, go to the pdf, select the text, press 'copy', then come back here and press 'paste'.

Ok so you don’t think anyone male or female should have the right to talk if they hold beliefs that you disagree with?

is that what you think?

Peta Credlin is a lawyer who was an advisor to Tony Abbott. Her law speciality is constitutional law and she was a barrister before starting working as a staffer with Kay Patterson. You can be dismissive as much as you want of her career before she became a political commentator, but it is important that readers know who you are talking about.

She is also married to Brian Loughnane who was, I believe, the Liberal Party federal director for over a decade until around 2016 ish and is a career political strategist.

Not to take away from her own career, but I think that she probably has some insight into how the Liberal Party and Australian politics works.

She is most definitely still very well connected, trying to argue anything else is just batshit.

@CassieMaddox

Here's the full quote:
But Messina doesn’t this all boil down to the fact that fundamentally you don’t think that women with different views to yours should be given a voice.
Not a question. A factual statement you made about what she thinks. It is not a reasonable way to approach a debate as it forces a yes/no answer and makes people defensive.

I suspect however it's more important to you to be able to discount her views as "disingenuous/lefty/TRA" or whatever.

I see very little difference between that behaviour and the behaviour you claim to despise from TRAs. Projection. Mind reading. "Them and us" thinking.

Thank you Cassie. I do dislike the constant extrapolation of my own mindset and the twisting of my words, and accusations like this one: that I would stop other women being given a voice. If you knew me in real life, you'd know this is quite far from reality. For many reasons, I have less of a voice than most. I do wish other posters would think before throwing out baseless statements.