Why do men hate us so much?

[niadainud]

Just off the top of my head, in no particular order:

Incels
Afghanistan
Excessively patriarchal religions where women are totally subservient
Using sex workers
Human trafficking
Domestic violence
Rape
Low-level sexism
Andrew Tate, etc.
Erosion of women's rights including, but not limited to, transactivists
Shitty dating behaviour such as ghosting and negging
Drag / "womanface"

Yes, I know some of the above can be perpetrated by women, but it's usually men, isn't it?

How many women douse their ex-boyfriends in petrol and set them alight? Or throw acid in their face?

How many men douse their ex-girlfriends in petrol and set them alight? Or throw acid in their face?

Extreme, very rare cases are never good indicators of the whole class.

One person has quoted Genesis 1, where God makes both men and women in god's own image. Like most of the historical interpreters the others have gone to Genesis 2, by a different writer, which uses a version derived from other Middle Eastern religions where Eve is an afterthought.
I have come across an interpretation, I think from a Jewish source, of the Eve version which isn't so misogynistic. God didn't make her from Adam's head, to dominate him (of course not, what an idea!), and He didn't make her from Adam's feet, so he could trample on her, but from his rib, close to his heart, so she was his equal. And a helpmeet, that is, fitting for a helper, not helpmate. Helpmeet is sometimes used for God. But. amazingly, these interpretations tend to get ignored. But they are there.

However, that women are not of value in religion is the one thing that can be found across the world.

Men are just a lot more violent. That's why they succeed in suicide attempts at much higher rates than women because they're methods are, in general terms, far more brutal.

Ah they just like being catered to. That simple

Setting fire to someone may be extremely rare. I think the estimate is that 5% of men are abusers of women, and/or rapists.

The UN estimated that globally 30% of women have been subject to violence in their lifetime, the majority of which is intimate partner violence.

I would imagine the figure is higher than 30%. We know most of it is unreported.

Yep, Paulianity. There's a good book on this by Hyam Maccoby - "The Mythmaker: Paul and the Invention of Christianity". Seems to be available as. PDF on the Internet Archive (my connection is too slow to open it) and the book's still on Amazon, I think.

Not just Paul. His authentic writings are not so misogynistic and he worked happily with women wjho hosted churches.

I suspect that when Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion a lot of Mithraists jumped ship and brought their boys' club mentality with them. And the Sol Invictus lot.

Hate is a strong word.

These types of threads always talk about males as if they are members of a covert group who concoct schemes away from the women, a bit like the episode of The Simpsons with the stonemasons. They don’t have secret handshakes and discuss their plans to take over the world when their wives and girlfriends leave the room.

I think previous posters who talk about men valuing women less are correct, and I agree that men don’t view themselves as a group. I think that’s a fundamental misunderstanding that’s made when these threads pop up.

Men typically don’t know what it’s like to be penetrated. I think if they did, they would have a much better understanding of what women go through sexually. They don’t appreciate how invasive it is because they can’t.

I also think there are a whole host of double standards when it comes to men and women, and men are acutely aware of this. How many times on Mumsnet are responses flipped based on the sex of the original poster? Gay men typically don’t need women in their personal lives, so they are more free to call it out, which is why some feel there’s a greater level of misogyny there - they don’t need to toe the party line. Though I’m not talking about trans issues there.

Hi bloke. Please do some more reading.

Thanks for educating us.

Because they feel entitled to free sex. And get angry when women don’t want to sleep with them

@EMWaves Thanks for educating us

Well, EM - guess some want to know, others don't want to know, others only happy with voice-of-the-hive compliant answers. At the end of the day - whatever.

I didn't post on this thread until like @Beginningless I read with despair about Dominique Picol and what her husband and the 50 men he recruited did to her. There is no female equivalent to that festering clump of crimes imo; I've come across crimes of exploitation by women against men (modern slavery type crimes) but not recruiting a crowd of women to fuck a man who had been drugged into a coma.

Agree with everything you say but just to correct that Dominique is the vile husband. The victim, his wife, is Gisele Pelicot.

Imagine you did all that to another human being. If it wasn't their own fault, you'd be the baddie. So you have to believe women are awful nasty scheming bitches to justify your treatment of them.

Men aren't horrible to women because they hate them. Men (well, enough of them to cause endless damage) hate women because they're horrible to them.

Whatever. There you go. Men don't actually care enough about women. We're just background noise; nags. Hysterical, hairy man haters. Karens. Bitches. We simply don't know our place.

Whatever.

Whatever. There you go. Men don't actually care enough about women. We're just background noise; nags. Hysterical, hairy man haters. Karens. Bitches. We simply don't know our place.

Whatever.

Or conversely, none of those. I, for what its worth, don't agree with any of those labels. Some women might think men hate women - good for you. Whatever.

*Imagine you did all that to another human being. If it wasn't their own fault, you'd be the baddie. So you have to believe women are awful nasty scheming bitches to justify your treatment of them.

Men aren't horrible to women because they hate them. Men (well, enough of them to cause endless damage) hate women because they're horrible to them.*

My God, this really hits home.

It's all just such a terrible waste of human potential. This perspective is something that makes me less angry with individual men, but more angry with the continued existence of the patriarchy.

Go on, then. Tell us what men think,

If you read the thread, I already have.

What’s your problem? Why such an attitude?

In that case, thank you for taking the time to educate us too.

Whatever.

@Happyinarcon "You could list a whole bunch of stats about women murdering and abusing their children and ask mumsnet ‘why do women hate children so much?’"

Then you'd look at the number of men doing it and say oh my god, and why do men hate children so so so much more??!