Children protesting at DfE

[MyOliveDog]

Shocked to see this thread on X about children protesting at DfE and planning to stay out all night asking for random adults to go and provide “protection”.
https://x.com/mforstater/status/1828912578631725277?s=46&t=0kj2teDK1iyM7jd4u9rCqQXthread

So many questions.

"I have sympathy with these children. They’ve been told that these drugs are the answer. Some of their parents have probably gone to great lengths (and expense) to get them on the puberty-blocker pathway. In their eyes, society simply has it in for them, and are denying them their rightful medications out of plain spite"

I symathise with them too but can they not look at the evidence? None of them pass not even a 5mm high Grin on my phone and they have been taking PB for 4 years and Testosterone for 3. I can't think of anyone I know who would look at them and think, 'bloke'. Can they not see that the online cheerleaders are just being kind and patronising them?

Why not wait, be as gender non conforming as they want but just grow up a bit first. If they are still desperate to transition in their 20s then they probably will pass quite well after a couple of years although by waiting most will probably decide being female isn't so awful after all

Can they not see that the online cheerleaders are just being kind

They are being anything but kind. They are encouraging them on to self harm to validate their own belief, or possibly for mischief.

Give them a few years and they'll be cringing about how they were brainwashed into all this nonsense.

Anyway... good luck with trying to get the DfE to listen/respond to anything. I've been trying to get them to do something about our local schools being closed and months of education lost due to RAAC and asbestos and they couldn't give a shiny shit.

Agree. Those saying be kind are cheering on a life of misery and the unobtainable.

They are ignorant.

Nothing says “ligger” like founding a “legal services company” named after yourself when you don’t even have a degree, let alone have qualified into a regulated profession and done something as boring as spend years practising law.

Yes, if Jimmy Savile were still alive he'd be first in line.

The children, fine, they're kids, they're clueless, but adults asking random adults to go and 'watch' them. They're either a) deliberately trying to encourage harm to these children or b) so stupid that they need to have nothing to do with children in any way shape or form as present a real safeguarding risk.

Who is most likely to enthusiastically want to do this? What type of adult? Basic common bloody sense. I hope the police are aware.

'lawyer' is not a protected term, unlike 'solicitor' or 'barrister', so anyone can call themselves a lawyer.

Similarly 'legal services'. If you check the rules on entity names on the Companies House website, to use 'Further Education" or "Higher Education" in a name, you have to provide a letter or email of non-objection from the relevant body. No rule at all about "Legal" or "Legal Services"

I've seen quite a few parents stuck in this situation. Constantly appeasing their child in the short term which usually results (in my experience) in longer term harm and no resolution. The parents I see who manage to maintain boundaries and do what is in the long-term best interests of the child (preparing them for an independent life where everyone won't immediately do exactly what they want) rather than give in to unreasonable / unsafe demands have had much better outcomes. And usually gain more respect from their children in the long run.

However, I do feel desperately sorry for these parents. They love their children so much and are so scared. I'd like to think I'd do the right thing, but I don't know if I would, it would be very difficult, especially with the apparatus of health and social care so filled with people completely brainwashed into gender ideology and supporting risky, unhealthy behaviour.

Sure, but if you want to practise as a lawyer does this show integrity? What legal services does an undergraduate have to offer?

I’m a bit confused, what are they protesting at the DfE for? One of their signs says ‘End the ban’ which I assume means the ban on puberty blockers but that’s nothing to do with the DfE. Why aren’t they outside the Dept for Health?

I don't think it's you who is confused.

Well, quite

The trouble is, there is nothing to stop this individual, or any other, from offering some kinds of legal services, including (per Legal Services Board website) "providing legal advice or assistance in connection with the application of the law or with any form of resolution of legal disputes and providing representation in connection with any matter concerning the application of the law or any form of resolution of legal dispute".

You would think that people would undertake due diligence before seeking advice from any source. But there will be those who only want advice that backs their wishes / ideology and will only turn to "allies", however dubious others might think them.

I think if they are so frightened of men (I gather that’s who they need protection from), identifying as one may cause them a few problems going forward.

All the more reason to create monsters of middle aged women

Yes. See also: accountancy, bookkeeping, counselling, therapy, psychotherapy, nutritionist, psychology. I could be wrong about the last one because the HPC has some role in certifying chartered psychologists in various specialities, but I don't think there's anything in place to prevent someone with a psychology degree, or for that matter a passing interest in psychology, calling themselves a psychologist and trading on it.

There is 24 hour manned security at DfE. And a Pret around the corner.
I'm sure they will be fine.

I've just looked at their insta and the emotional support dogs have turned up so I think you're right 😁

@quantumbutterfly
You are very welcome - they do incredible work. The BBC even managed to write about them using the words men & women when discussing the high rate of the latter being assaulted by the former 😱

I wonder if they're trying to get the guidance dropped? The one for schools that the tories were bringing in.

Agreed. It's interesting to see what the government will do with this. The principles (anti bullying etc) are good. But the details are a mixed bag - unsurprisingly as the DfE, Ofsted, the unions etc have been relentlessly pushing trans ideology at children for some years and are completely mired in culpability for what's happened to them. So it was never going to be easy to write something that allowed legions of reverse ferreting while centring safeguarding children from the mess this all is.

Is it because they are were transed at school by a Mx Nun Binary?

And then asking what's for dinner.

Are you thinking about the KCSIE guidance that is live from 1st September?

I'm still nervously expecting it to be pulled at any moment, similar to the last minute rug-pulling on the Freedom of Speech Act for higher education.

We're not out of the woods yet. I'm hoping there is no announcement tomorrow 🤞🤞 It's the only active guidance that is in place, or is imminently about to be. Everything else has been mothballed.

Hopefully school leaders are busy working out their reverse ferret moves and will be delivering updated safeguarding training, based on the new guidance, during the inset days that many schools will have next week 🤞🤞..... and hopefully they are at least thinking about how it links to the draft Gender Questioning Children and Cass Report documents that are referenced within it 🤞🤞

Are you thinking about the KCSIE guidance that is live from 1st September?

But there's barely anything in that? It refers schools to the trans guidance which is still 'under consultation' so god knows what is happening there.