3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

Well said.

My Gen Alphas, all do. So hard. So do their friends. They know it’s shit. And They know whose shit it is, and they are at the point that this school year it will be openly said in classrooms again. Activist teachers are going to have to get back in their box.

It would help if those intelligent people could explain why they believe what they do in a way that actually makes sense.

That's really encouraging @MoveToParis - go Gen Alpha!

Yes. Which is why it would be great to see genderist beliefs subjected to a Grainger test to see if they are WORIADS.

Gen Z is a vastly more accepting and inclusive generation than those that have come before.

Depends. Look at the age profile of the recent rioters, along with research on the attitudes of that generation toward feminism, women and Jews (the last one largely demonstrated by which conspiracy theories they favour)

For me genderism is a cause of younger Millennials and older Gen Zs. Younger Gen Zs of my experience are more critical like the Gen A kids coming up now.

@ElleWoods15
You are on a public discussion forum, yet you expect others to accept the validity of your views without question.

If you did understand and had thought deeply about your positions, you would be able to explain or justify them. You can't, so I feel free to draw the obvious inference.

Nobody has insulted you. That is an excuse. I have no more time to waste on you.

I hold the view that there are people born in a body with ‘male’ sex organs that are innately female, and vice versa. And also that there are those born in bodies with ‘male’ or ‘female’ sex organs that innately know they are neither of the binary genders we apply. In my view, the fact that they know they are female, and that they identify as such (again or vice versa, etc) is what makes them a woman.

I’m not citing my CV or a bibliography of the reading and research I’ve done. I’ve come to the position actually from one of being GC myself, interested in the subject because I knew people who were trans.

But you asked me my views and there they are. The last time I set our my view point on this forum the backlash was horrendous, so please forgive me for not being keen to do so.

I don’t think any of you are less intelligent etc for holding an alternative viewpoint. But let’s all be respectful of others POVs.

Another thought. Many on the left have bought into a neat hierarchy of 'most to least' oppressed, wherein it is incumbent to take the side of the more oppressed over the less oppressed.

But there is no nuanced thinking in this hierarchy at all and women are not really considered within it. Whereas transpeople have been embraced enthusiastically.

Giving rise to a situation where (for example) female prisoners are considered less oppressed than the predatory men declaring themselves to be women for access to women's jails.

Which fundamentally comes back to the Left's attitude to vulnerable women, which is patchy, to say the least.

There are a number of posters on this thread- not you obvs- who have done previously.

How would being 'innately female' manifest itself?

I think expecting someone to be able to explain an assertion is a sign that you believe them to be intelligent enough to do so.

Edited to add

I don't automatically think it's an attack. I think it's unreasonable to be expected to taking things, especially important things, on faith.

In an inner knowledge and conviction that you are a particular sex (or non binary)- rather than a ‘manifestation’, which suggests something that you would be able to see externally.

I hold the view that there are people born in a body with ‘male’ sex organs that are innately female, and vice versa. And also that there are those born in bodies with ‘male’ or ‘female’ sex organs that innately know they are neither of the binary genders we apply. In my view, the fact that they know they are female, and that they identify as such (again or vice versa, etc) is what makes them a woman.

You say ‘innately female’ and then ‘the binary genders we apply.’ So is your reasoning that we assign ‘genders’ to children based on their biological sex, and sometimes get that wrong?

Does that mean you don’t believe that people who don’t hold GC views are intelligent?

I'm sure nobody is going to attack anyone just for stating views.

Posters on here are endlessly patient, understanding, and kind, in my experience.

Can feelings ever be wrong?

Is that a joke?!

You can't be using "female" to mean the same as I take it to mean, which is a reproductive sex class (the type that produces large gametes). How can someone male be innately female? They are two categories which exclude the other.

In an inner knowledge and conviction that you are a particular sex

This is totally nonsensical to me because sex is a biological reality rather than an 'inner knowledge'

Many posters have taken the time to explain their position on the reality of biological sex.

Thanks for answering Elle.

I'm afraid I stand by my statement - incoherent and ludicrous.

So you hold a different opinion.

It doesn’t mean that mine is ‘totally nonsensical’ and this is exactly what I feared in terms of lack of respectful debate on this forum.

In my view, the fact that they know they are female, and that they identify as such (again or vice versa, etc) is what makes them a woman.

I always struggle to make sense of this because I don't think being female means anything more than having a female body. We know that isn't what men mean when they say they believe they are female, so what other aspect of femaleness do people feel so powerfully about?

If it's the ability to wear makeup and have a group of girl friends for example I don't see why you can't do that without claiming it makes you female.