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Amnesty International

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biddyboo · 24/08/2024 13:26

Amnesty International is getting a lot of pushback on Twitter for a post celebrating Roxy Tickle's win yesterday.

Helen Staniland has highlighted this excerpt from an article they wrote about women in Afghanistan

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/womens-rights-afghanistan-history

The article contains this sentence "Under the Taliban, women and girls were discriminated against in many ways, for the 'crime' of identifying as a girl".

Who the f*ck wrote this? The Taliban treat them appallingly because they 'identify' as a girl, rather than because of the fundamental reality of their biological sex? It has made me so angry.

I used to support Amnesty, but not anymore? Are there any human rights charities that aren't in thrall to gender ideology?

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TheCadoganArms · 24/08/2024 13:28

Captured organisation in can't read the room shocker.

biddyboo · 24/08/2024 13:31

TheCadoganArms · 24/08/2024 13:28

Captured organisation in can't read the room shocker.

It has enraged me so much that they can't even write about one of the most appalling examples of women being oppressed because of their sex without using the ideological language of gender woo.

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fabricstash · 24/08/2024 13:42

They have lost the lot!

fabricstash · 24/08/2024 13:42

Plot

viques · 24/08/2024 13:54

They lost the plot some time ago I am afraid.

Such a disgrace, the first campaign Amnesty ran about the UK in the UK ( they try not to run controversial campaigns within a country because it can be dangerous) was about VAW, it was an amazing hard hitting ( sorry) campaign and opened a lot of eyes.

But now they are captured and completely locked up.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/08/2024 13:56

I am so angry. How dare they. Females in Afghanistan cannot identity out of their oppression. It's utterly offensive.

GrumpyPanda · 24/08/2024 14:05

Used to be an activist with them in my undergrad days, but I'm afraid Amnesty lost the plot years ago even where their core mission is concerned. They infamously threw the imprisoned Navalny like under the bus, and had to apologize later. They also embarrassed themselves first "both-sides"ing Ukraine for its war conduct and again had to backtrack (after the Bucha massacre, no less.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/27/us/amnesty-international-report-ukraine-russia.html

OuterSpaceCadet · 24/08/2024 14:14

Fuck that's unbelievably horrendous what they wrote about Afghanistan. Do people really seriously believe that it's about identity? Do they think Afghan women are stupid or something, missing such an obvious route out of persecution? In fact, if gender ideologues believed their own bullshit, wouldn't they be encouraging women worldwide to ID as men?

Lots of people on Twitter have also pointed out that Amnesty's tweet celebrating Roxanne Tickle's win misleadingly shows a woman in it. They haven't even got the balls to show RT's face.

CyclingSam · 24/08/2024 14:36

My sister-in-law used to have a senior position at Amnesty. She later came out as full on TWAW, spouting all the usual nonsense, e.g., "I hate JK Rowling!" "Why?" "Because my friends hate her." (Not an actual quote, but it may as well have been.)

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 24/08/2024 14:48

Is this a moment where the mask's slipped?

Imnobody4 · 24/08/2024 16:10

The post about Tickle v Giggle has had a community note added.
🙂
'The person in the image is not the transgender woman mentioned in the post.' https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australias-legal-battle-to-define-a-woman-is-not-over-yet/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/australias-legal-battle-to-define-a-woman-is-not-over-yet/

https://t.co/jfE7KoMaYo

ArabellaScott · 24/08/2024 16:14

Amnesty used to do such good work. A great shame, but I can only suppose they've become corrupted.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5049352-amnesty-international-and-liberty-on-the-cass-review

BeechLeaves · 24/08/2024 16:15

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/08/2024 13:56

I am so angry. How dare they. Females in Afghanistan cannot identity out of their oppression. It's utterly offensive.

Exactly. Is there any pushback on social media?

PronounssheRa · 24/08/2024 16:17

Amnesty has been a fucking mess on womens rights for a while now. Never again will they get a penny from me.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 24/08/2024 16:20

The TRAs who protested outside FilLiA in Portsmouth, as well as chalking obscene images & phrases in a busy public square where children could see them & drowning out the voices of women who were talking about their experiences of sexual abuse, were carrying Amnesty-branded placards reading I AM WHO I SAY I AM.

That’s an unbelievably dangerous message to push. Sarah Everard thought Wayne Couzens was who he said he was. Loads of people believed Jimmy Savile was who he said he was.

I’m obviously NOT suggesting that any of the people carrying those placards were dangerous criminals. I’m saying that, as a principle, nobody (especially children) should not be encouraged to believe that everyone is who they say they are, and Amnesty should bloody well know better.

ArabellaScott · 24/08/2024 16:21

BeechLeaves · 24/08/2024 16:15

Exactly. Is there any pushback on social media?

The post about Roxanne Tickle has got a pleasing ratio.

https://x.com/amnesty/status/1826982698226737303

1,6m views
706 likes
5.6k comments.

x.com

https://x.com/amnesty/status/1826982698226737303

duc748 · 24/08/2024 16:23

From that Speccie link:

Tickle, born male but who underwent a surgical sex change in 2019

No he fucking didn't. Because there's no such thing as a 'surgical sex-change', or a 'sex-change operation'. All the media, including the Mail, seem to continue to use this term. They shouldn't.

PronounssheRa · 24/08/2024 16:26

BeechLeaves · 24/08/2024 16:15

Exactly. Is there any pushback on social media?

Amnesty have had their arse handed to them on twitter, not that they will take any notice

Omlettes · 24/08/2024 17:06

ArabellaScott · 24/08/2024 16:14

Amnesty used to do such good work. A great shame, but I can only suppose they've become corrupted.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5049352-amnesty-international-and-liberty-on-the-cass-review

For years now.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 24/08/2024 17:34

So Amnesty think that the people in burkas have gender identity in common, not sex? I wonder what percentage of them are XY.

annejumps · 24/08/2024 18:37

biddyboo · 24/08/2024 13:26

Amnesty International is getting a lot of pushback on Twitter for a post celebrating Roxy Tickle's win yesterday.

Helen Staniland has highlighted this excerpt from an article they wrote about women in Afghanistan

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/womens-rights-afghanistan-history

The article contains this sentence "Under the Taliban, women and girls were discriminated against in many ways, for the 'crime' of identifying as a girl".

Who the f*ck wrote this? The Taliban treat them appallingly because they 'identify' as a girl, rather than because of the fundamental reality of their biological sex? It has made me so angry.

I used to support Amnesty, but not anymore? Are there any human rights charities that aren't in thrall to gender ideology?

I messaged them telling them to correct that. Ha

CorruptedCauldron · 24/08/2024 21:12

So infuriating and a bare-faced insult to the intelligence of the women of Afghanistan. Apparently they edited the text, which had previously said the ‘crime’ of being born a girl. Now it’s identifying as a girl. So they knew what they were doing - they were shoehorning in a little prayer to the religion of gender identity.

How insulting can they get, claiming that women and girls are identifying into their oppression? Who on earth would be so stupid as to do that? This is sex-based oppression affecting women and girls who are effectively being locked down and erased as a result of their biology, however they identify. I’m sure most women in Afghanistan don’t even have a gender identity, they're too busy trying to keep themselves alive.

It is inappropriate and tone deaf to bend the knee to gender ideology when you’re trying to fight sex-based discrimination against women and girls. Trans people have their own issues; this is a women’s rights issue affecting biological women and girls. Fight for them, for Goddess’s sake.

FlippinFumin · 25/08/2024 10:57

I have contacted them. This has infuriated me. Just knowing what the women and girls of Afghanistan are enduring right now, and AI change the truth to a victim blaming lie. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Who the fuck, what the actual fuck were they thinking. Actual oppression using the language of pretend oppression. I am livid.

MarkWithaC · 25/08/2024 11:20

FlippinFumin · 25/08/2024 10:57

I have contacted them. This has infuriated me. Just knowing what the women and girls of Afghanistan are enduring right now, and AI change the truth to a victim blaming lie. Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Who the fuck, what the actual fuck were they thinking. Actual oppression using the language of pretend oppression. I am livid.

Can I ask how you contacted them? I tweeted them about Tickle, asking why they'd used a different person's face rather than his, but for this Afghanistan fuck-up I think I want to write to the chief exec.

AgileGreenSeal · 25/08/2024 11:23

I lost all respect for Amnasty during their “RepealThe8th” campaign in Ireland.