Amnesty International

[biddyboo]

Amnesty International is getting a lot of pushback on Twitter for a post celebrating Roxy Tickle's win yesterday.

Helen Staniland has highlighted this excerpt from an article they wrote about women in Afghanistan

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/womens-rights-afghanistan-history

The article contains this sentence "Under the Taliban, women and girls were discriminated against in many ways, for the 'crime' of identifying as a girl".

Who the f*ck wrote this? The Taliban treat them appallingly because they 'identify' as a girl, rather than because of the fundamental reality of their biological sex? It has made me so angry.

I used to support Amnesty, but not anymore? Are there any human rights charities that aren't in thrall to gender ideology?

I went to the article and left feedback. Thy probably will not even read it. But it was very cathartic to write. I think there is a website where you can find every CEOs email address. i am going to look for that too.

They have a Contact Us form on the site.

Why?

I haven't been using Twitter/X much lately but I am one of the many people who rate community notes.

I am pleased to say that I have just gone through all the ones for this post and have rated them - there are many - in what I hope is an unbiased way.

I've left feedback

Sorry to be thick, I used to support AI...

... what does "captured" mean in this context?

Yup have a friend who works there. She's fucking bonkers tbh.
So sad. It was an amazing organisation in it's day.

Does anyone know why Amnesty ended up pushing this crap? Like, exactly which individuals decided to reshape the charity's aims in this way, and why are they doing this?

@biddyboo
Presumably Amnesty mean that if they tell the Taliban that they in fact identify as male, they will be able to walk the streets unveiled in trousers singing their hearts out.
I suggest we ask the Secretary General. Here is their contact
www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-9755&c=Amnesty%20International-Secretary%20General

Years ago to make a point I asked on Facebook whether girls could ID out of things like child marriage. My friends saw fit to angry-react and scold me like a child, but no one had an answer, of course.

Oh, and also that any males IDing as women or girls would absolutely experience this same treatment. Obviously.

I would guess the Taliban are tough on men who identify as trans - if they realise. But that’s a completely different thing from what’s being done to women.

I would bet my house on there being no trans identifying men in Afghanistan.

It is a poverty stricken country and believing you are the opposite sex is a luxury belief.

I lost all respect for Amnesty in 2020 when they signed a letter written by TENI (Transgender Equality Network Ireland) which demanded
‘We call on media, and politicians to no longer provide legitimate representation for those that share bigoted beliefs.’

The spectacle of Amnesty - Amnesty !- calling for removal of basic civil rights, like representation by their elected representatives, from people because of their gender-critical opinions was denounced by, amongst others, Iseult White, the daughter of the co-founder of Amnesty International, Nobel Laureate Seán McBride (son of Maud Gonne McBride).
I believe that when an international human rights organisation with the reach and influence of Amnesty International signs a letter that seeks to deny legitimate representation to people of conscience, it has a chilling effect on society. Amnesty and freedom of conscience – The Irish Times

The letter was also signed, also mind-bogglingly, by the National Women’s Council of Ireland..

That's just awful. People, and organisations, seem to have completely lost their grip. It's like you can't rely on anyone to have your back, as all the 'good guys' seem to have feet of clay.

Thanks Marie. I came here to say this. Amnesia Ireland can go away and have a shyte now.

This.

It's not a coincidence that the phenomenon of men identifying as women occurs in states where women have a good amount of rights.

Amnesty undermined their whole mandate when they stopped being fairly politically neutral outside of issues around political imprisonment.

Now they have to decide whether the political prisoners deserve it or not for their wrongheaded views.

They have no moral authority any more that could possibly be any kind of influence of authoritarian regimes. They just represent western liberal progressive values, and try to impose them on other parts of the world.

In the past I believe that if there were no boys in an Afghan family, one girl was chosen as the boy, dressed accordingly and given an education until puberty set in, when they went back to a female child’s restricted life. It is those girls who grew up and fought for their rights, having seen how boys were advantaged. So , in a way, self ID by the families worked. I wonder if this practice has started again.

They just represent western liberal progressive values, and try to impose them on other parts of the world.

Except that these 'values' are neither liberal not progressive. Nor, indeed, 'left-wing', if that term has kept a shred of its original meaning. There's nothing liberal about acceding to the demands of a small sector of privileged and powerful men to the detriment of the wider public. Sadly most leaders of left parties, trades unions, etc, don't see it that way.

Amnesty have not replied to my complaint

That article does not (afaics) say 'identify' as women and girls anywhere. I may have missed it, though.
What it does say is that the West used the plight of women and girls as an excuse to invade Afghanistan and that this use is racist - I'd have thought it might be sexist. Either way, I don't like the implication. Should no-one help anyone in case of being accused of white saviourism, racism, sexism, black saviourism?

Many, many years ago, I was so dedicated to amnesty international that I ran our local group. They lost my time and money a very long time ago.

Women do not identify into our oppression.

They just recently changed it again

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/597186/complaining-works-amnesty-removed-the-ludicrous-suggestion-that-afghan-women-and

Gosh. Amnesty listened to women. That's got to be a first.