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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Amnesty International and Liberty on the Cass Review

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ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 15:18

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-cass-review-gender-identity-being-weaponised-anti-trans-groups

'In response to the sensationalised coverage surrounding the independent review of gender identity services for children and young people by the paediatrician Hilary Cass, Amnesty International UK and Liberty, said:
“All children have the right to access specialist effective care on time and must be afforded the privacy to make decisions that are appropriate for them in consultation with a specialist.

“This review is being weaponised by people who revel in spreading disinformation and myths about healthcare for trans young people.

“It’s concerning that sections of the media and many politicians continue to spread moral panic with no regard for the possible consequences for trans people and their families.

“The negative rhetoric by the Government about the dangers of so-called gender ideology, healthcare for young trans people, as well as the push against LGBT-inclusive sex and relationship education is harmful and extremely damaging. It is no different from the ultra-conservative and evangelical groups pushing for discriminatory laws targeting trans people in the United States.

“Scapegoating trans people is harmful and dangerous. The Government should protect everyone’s human rights rather than exploit the diverse experiences of trans people to score points.”'

UK: Cass review on gender identity is being 'weaponised' by anti-trans groups

This review is being weaponised by people who revel in spreading disinformation and myths about healthcare for trans young people.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uk-cass-review-gender-identity-being-weaponised-anti-trans-groups

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ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 15:23

The press release was shared by twitterer Erin Reed with the following dishonest slant:

'Amnesty International has released a press release calling the Cass Review an exercise in "disinformation and myths about healthcare for trans young people." It is being pushed to justify massive crackdowns on transgender people in England and globally.'

And this is how we can see disinformation spread before our eyes.

AI and Liberty publish a piece that carefully avoids criticising the Cass Review directly; this is instantly turned into a condemnation of the Cass Review on Twitter as 'disinformation'.

Which is then retweeted by Maggie Chapman of the Scottish Greens:

https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1778848154927915350

https://twitter.com/MaggieChapman

https://twitter.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1778848154927915350

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ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 15:25

And just a quick reminder that Liberty supported the Paedophile Information Exchange back in the day:

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/investigation/westminster/part-g-paedophile-information-exchange/g2-pies-links-other-organisations.html

'35. PIE was an affiliate organisation to the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL, now known as Liberty) from the late 1970s until the early 1980s.[33] Patricia Hewitt held the most senior staff position in the NCCL, General Secretary, between 1974 and 1983. She has more recently held senior positions in the Labour Party. She has expressed regret for PIE’s affiliation with the NCCL and has said she personally never supported PIE’s aims or its members.[34] Leaders and office-bearers of the NCCL at the time must accept responsibility for PIE’s affiliation with the NCCL. The fact that PIE was allowed to remain connected to the NCCL for several years had the effect of giving spurious legitimacy to an organisation that promoted sex with children.'

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ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 15:26

'40. As with the Albany Trust, links with PIE have had a negative effect on the NCCL’s reputation. In 2014, the then-director Shami Chakrabarti made a statement expressing “disgust and horror” that PIE had managed to infiltrate the NCCL so successfully. Liberty repeated this in its evidence to us, and also set out a clear explanation of how the institutional failures and blindspots which led to the relationship with PIE in the 1970s and 1980s could not and would not be repeated today.[47]'

So Liberty should be very hot on safeguarding and potential harms to children.

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lechiffre55 · 13/04/2024 15:28

Just like Stonewall many organisations are very poor imitations of thier former selves. Amnesty, ACLU, NHS, Police, Civil Service, Rolling Stone, Washington Post etc........
Activisits have infested them with insideous ideology instead of clear public purpose. Stonwall is probably the best example, I would say their actions are actually actively homophobic now. ACLU the organisation that once defended the free speech rights of Illinois Nazis under Mighty Ira Glasser are now pro censorship. These dyed hair progressive middle class oikophobic useful idiots are hugely damaging to everything they touch and cause division instead of bringing different people together.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 13/04/2024 15:50

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 15:26

'40. As with the Albany Trust, links with PIE have had a negative effect on the NCCL’s reputation. In 2014, the then-director Shami Chakrabarti made a statement expressing “disgust and horror” that PIE had managed to infiltrate the NCCL so successfully. Liberty repeated this in its evidence to us, and also set out a clear explanation of how the institutional failures and blindspots which led to the relationship with PIE in the 1970s and 1980s could not and would not be repeated today.[47]'

So Liberty should be very hot on safeguarding and potential harms to children.

So they've let a similar thing happen again. So are not fit for purpose since they clearly are too open to ideological bias to protect children's human rights, chief among which should be to not be sterilized ffs.

ResisterRex · 13/04/2024 16:13

In 2014, the then-director Shami Chakrabarti made a statement expressing “disgust and horror” that PIE had managed to infiltrate the NCCL so successfully.

If only there had been a clue? Like, oh I don't know...the name?

lechiffre55 · 13/04/2024 16:18

@ResisterRex
and all the letters saying can we have sex with kids now?
ALL of these situations seem to be a utter failing in nothing more than common sense. Like if you asked a random person off the street they'd give you a strange look and a "Fuck no, what the fuck are you on?" and yet it keeps happening.
Mind you those in charge keep championing very strange looking people. Maybe looking utterly daft is a hint that all is not as it should be?

TempestTost · 13/04/2024 16:20

I find myself wondering, what really is the basis for an organization like AI to see itself as having an opinion on gender ideology? Or actually, most other ideologies?

AI used to be focused on political prisoners the importance of principles like freedom of belief, freedom of expression, free movement etc, and they had some real expertise around those things. Their campaigns were all about pressuring governments who did not uphold those principles - whether or not any of them agreed with what particular political prisoners believed or said.

Once they started trying to enforce their particular vision of human rights, which is very much a western, middle class, university educated perspective, they lost the plot.

LoobiJee · 13/04/2024 16:21

Amnesty International, in its new manifestation, is on the side of pimps and brothel keepers. That tells you everything you need to know about both their ethics and their motivations.

An absence of integrity is only to be expected from them.

Windymoore · 13/04/2024 16:22

'if you disagree with us you're like ultra conservative religious bigots': no I'm not,I have a brain, eyes, and can see you're talking bollocks,and more and more people are seeing it too.

Ingenieur · 13/04/2024 16:22

All children have the right to access specialist effective care on time and must be afforded the privacy to make decisions that are appropriate for them in consultation with a specialist.

Yes, we all agree.

It juat happens that the current crop of specialists are charlatans and need to be weeded-out and replaced with ethical and competent professionals.

lechiffre55 · 13/04/2024 16:26

@Ingenieur
Notice how children get mentioned but not their parents or guardians.
I would have exepcted something like "familes deserve the best for their children" but children are literally separated from their parents in the minds of these progressive organisations. I wonder who that benefits?

lechiffre55 · 13/04/2024 16:27

Children are just cute little adults for a very unsavoury type of person that belongs in jail.

ResisterRex · 13/04/2024 16:28

Quite, @lechiffre55. Apart from the name and the fact they wrote it all down, they told everyone. On national TV:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-26372280

ArabellaScott · 13/04/2024 16:31

LoobiJee · 13/04/2024 16:21

Amnesty International, in its new manifestation, is on the side of pimps and brothel keepers. That tells you everything you need to know about both their ethics and their motivations.

An absence of integrity is only to be expected from them.

Both Amnesty and Liberty used to do important work, imo. We need organisations to hold governments to account.

Unfortunately they both seem to have been compromised, whether that was intentional infiltration as with PIE or something else, and when that happens to organisations like this they risk becoming more of a harm and liability than a help.

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Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 13/04/2024 17:05

Yes, they literally now do the opposite of what they were set up to do i.e. suppress "wrong think", free speech, and smear the parents trying to safeguard their children.

They support an ideology which suppresses human rights for children.

newtlover · 13/04/2024 17:33

good thing I cancelled my membership several years ago because of their defence of pimps and traffickers

Someonescatmum · 13/04/2024 17:41

TempestTost · 13/04/2024 16:20

I find myself wondering, what really is the basis for an organization like AI to see itself as having an opinion on gender ideology? Or actually, most other ideologies?

AI used to be focused on political prisoners the importance of principles like freedom of belief, freedom of expression, free movement etc, and they had some real expertise around those things. Their campaigns were all about pressuring governments who did not uphold those principles - whether or not any of them agreed with what particular political prisoners believed or said.

Once they started trying to enforce their particular vision of human rights, which is very much a western, middle class, university educated perspective, they lost the plot.

Totally agree.

I used to support Amnesty international when it helped the genuinely blighted of the world - against the death penalty and torture for example.

Now they get involved in all sorts of delicate issues in a one-sided way and call it 'human rights'.

MarieDeGournay · 13/04/2024 17:42

Amnesty International has released a press release calling the Cass Review an exercise in "disinformation and myths about healthcare for trans young people." It is being pushed to justify massive crackdowns on transgender people in England and globally.'

Amnesty v BMJ :
The Cass review: an opportunity to unite behind evidence informed care in gender medicine
https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q837
Support for Cass from people who actually know what's what, and the perfect antidote to 'disinformation' claims.

DuesToTheDirt · 13/04/2024 19:07

lechiffre55 · 13/04/2024 16:26

@Ingenieur
Notice how children get mentioned but not their parents or guardians.
I would have exepcted something like "familes deserve the best for their children" but children are literally separated from their parents in the minds of these progressive organisations. I wonder who that benefits?

Yes, my first thought too. (I just read the quotes above not the article).

Along with "moral panic" and "scapegoating trans people". Hmm

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