The woke roll back continues

[Hoardasurass]

Jack Daniels has ditched all it's woke policies and it's lgbtq equality index membership

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/22/jack-daniels-owner-scraps-diversity-targets-amid-anti-woke/

And another one bites the Dust👏

Excellent, the woke mind virus is going into remission.

Harley Davidson and John Deere have also dropped their DEI programmes.

👍🏼

That's going to make my next trip to America much more pleasant and tasty.

Does anyone have a link to an archived version? I used to look on archive.ph but I can never get onto that site anymore.

Can someone explain to me how this is a good thing? As a mixed race disabled woman I have generally been in favour of DEI policies as they provide some protection against unintentional discrimination.

Do you not worry at all that the people celebrating the end of diversity targets might also be anti woman and quite happy to see disabled and ethnic minority people under represented in the workforce?

Yes, exactly!

Yeah, if you're not a white, straight, non-disabled man you probably shouldn't be celebrating the end of DE&I. Yes there are issues with DE&I in that usually it's done badly and tokenistically in many ways, but it's never been about parachuting in unqualified people as 'woke mind virus' types seem to believe. It's about removing the barriers to capable people who happen not to be white, straight, non-disabled men.

By all means though, go on cheering the kind of man who says 'Well I think only the most qualified person should get the job' because if you're a woman, he's telling you he doesn't believe you are ever inherently the best person for the job.

This is also true.
As ever its an issue of pendulm swing, going from one extreme to the other, rather than the Middle Way, aka Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.

But I don't think there's any evidence it's 'gone too far' though. That's just what people who benefit from a lack of diversity want everyone to believe. Women, disabled people and people of colour are still underrepresented in leadership, and there's no evidence that leaders who are from those groups are extra incompetent or something. A bunch of right wingers claiming that anything that's got wrong with a business is 'because of diversity hires' is yet to come up with any actual evidence of this.

Pretty sure more problem are caused by mediocre white men who get promotions by default than people sneered at as 'diversity hires'. Elon Musk has shown himself perfectly capable of supremely fucking up a business, for example.

All DEI initiatives have to go - watch some EDI Jester for a differing viewpoint.

Also struggling with this one myself! Making sure your staff body reflects wider society is a bad thing and “woke”? I don’t get it.

The only diversity I hear about and see evidence of is LGBT+ stuff.
Companies need to focus on disabilities, racial diversity and women. If they are ditching all of this, that’s a bad thing.

It's woke.

This is one of the unfortunate effects of the "forced teaming" of trans and "queer" issues into LGB issues, concerns over sexism and racism, etc. The backlash against pronouns in email signatures, etc. at a workplace or a trans woman spokesperson for a beer gets commingled accidentally or not with everything else into mass complaints about being "woke."

DEI has not improved anything for those groups you highlight in fact it has made it worse for them and others because it is focused on one thing and one thing only to the exclusion and detriment of everyone else.

Ask those nurses in Darlington how DEI has impacted on them.

Anti discrimination law has been around for decades now, and society has changed significantly for the better.
Language policing and favoring some groups over others is offensive to everyone helps to create an environment of fear, suspicion and resentment which helps no one.
So yes its great for everyone that the fashion for performative 'anti-discrimination' policies is coming to an end.

https://archive.ph/EAVJo

Hope this works.

You make a very good point. It's not just about "unintentional" discrimination though - there is very intentional discrimination as well.

There is a very long history of women being treated more poorly in employment. This was only first addressed by the Equal Pay Act 1970 and there are still battles being fought in court today. For example

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/13/birmingham-council-bankruptcy-equal-pay-women

or here:

"The women, who worked for the Council as cooks, cleaners and care staff, had previously been denied bonuses worth up to 160% of their basic salaries, which had been given to male staff who did work rated as equivalent to theirs.

[...]

The BBC have reported that at the time that these women were working for Birmingham City Council, the annual salary of a female manual grade 2 worker was £11,127, while the equivalent male salary was £30,599, plus an additional bonus of up to £15,000 per year."

https://www.anthonycollins.com/insights/news/landmark-ruling-equal-pay/

and these fights are still going on, especially in the retail sector.

But, in some areas, the pendulum has swung so far in the name of "equity" that people are being unlawfully discriminated against in the name of "diversity".

Just a couple of examples:

The BBC recently reported that in the Thames Valley Police, two men and a woman were deliberately excluded from a promotion purely on the grounds that they were white British

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly8n6r6glgo

Even back in 2019 the BBC reported that a candidate for the Cheshire Police was rejected on the grounds that he was a "white heterosexual male"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-47335859

Discrimination based on any unlawful grounds should rightfully be called out.

What the hell has happened?? Women celebrating the rolling back of anti discrimination and equality initiatives?

I am completely on board with concerns about the actions of some trans activists in eroding women’s rights. But the answer is NOT to roll back all the work put in to delivering progress on equality in the workplace for women and all minorities.

Whilst equality of opportunity is obviously a good thing, most DEI initiatives do not really help. They are often tokenistic and superficial (eg trying to recruit more black people and not worrying about the fact that they’re all privately educated; fixating on pronouns). And they are a form of social engineering which is selective and crude: they fixate on skin colour because it’s easy to measure but ignore education, social class etc. Obviously the inequalities in society can’t be fairly solved by DEI initiatives anyway, they need to be addressed at the root (education/family/area).

Because of all the above people have become cynical and even hostile towards DEI. It’s sensible for businesses to scrap these initiatives and save some money, and just try to be as robust as possible when real discrimination occurs.

For women, we need robust policies that deal with sexual harassment at work and maternity discrimination. Many companies actually can’t even do this, but we don’t need mentoring, quotas, networks etc if we have the basics.

What a nasty thread!

one that celebrates the return to racism, sexism and ableism. Seriously what the fuck?

id rather be woke any day instead of a cold hearted entitled elitist that so many seem to aspire to.

This.

As a white woman I don’t think the conflation of efforts to level the playing field with ‘woke mind virus’ (WTF) helps me or people who face much more significant barriers than I do. Or indeed helps all of us find the genuinely best people to do the job.