NCHI recorded against JKR (Northumbria Police)

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If Rowling’s lawyers are doing any additional work at this time, I assume it’s to establish how on earth a police officer decided that her Foolish Law Day TwiX Thread met the threshold for recording as a NCHI:
Under the Code of Practice on the Recording and Retention of Personal Data (‘the Code’), the personal data about the subject should only be recorded where the incident:
“presents a real risk of significant harm to individuals with a particular characteristic(s) and/or a real risk that a future criminal offence may be committed against individuals or groups with a particular characteristic(s)”.

How came I to know of this? IW mouthing off on TwiX. Including repeatedly tagging the lawyer named in Imane Khelif’s case. Because what court could fail to be impressed by this pseudo-Stasi name-taking; & what lawyer wouldn’t interrogate the surrounding circumstances of i. IW’s harassment campaign & ii. what the thread ACTUALLY SAID?

I don’t think IW took legal advice before posting those tweets. Rather, IW is buoyed by their little sliver of letter:
[NAME REDACTED] states that in determining that this matter was not a crime, the second test was whether it was a Non-Crime Hate Incident. This test is clearly set out the that a Non-Crime Hate Incident (NCHI) means an incident or alleged incident which involves or is alleged to involve an act by a person which is perceived by a person other than the subject to be motivated - wholly or partly - by hostility or prejudice towards persons with a particular characteristic.
[NAME REDACTED] confirms he was satisfied that this threshold was met and as such a NCHI was recorded and as such safeguarding measures were addressed with you and a harm reduction plan was recorded with the offers of safeguarding.
I note in your original submission you requested that this matter be passed to the CPS for consideration and also that further advice is sought. As detailed above, I am satisfied with the

It’s a deeply unfunny joke that Northumbria Police mention “harm reduction” & “safeguarding” in this particular context. I do hope what was offered was based on “stop harassing the woman & she might stop replying” but that seems too sensible.

That first word....BREAKING

Reduced me to a fit of snorting laughter.

BREAKING???????

Does this twerp think this is headline news? A fabulously rich and famous and successful author uses reality and accurate language about a washed up, career in the bog, newsreader, the woke police murmer "there, there", and its BREAKING news??

Talk about having delusions.....

According to that tweet Northumbria police think calling a man a man is a hate incident worth recording. That definitely needs exploring further.

I'm also interested in how high a police officer has to be to be allowed to record non crime hate incidents on a national register. Inspector, Chief Inspector or can a lowly, fresh out of college Constable make that decision by themselves?

Anyway, I will continue to call a man a man, I could do with three meals a day and no electric bill to consider right now. Bring it on IW.

This will be an important one. I think Willoughby has done an amazing job of highlighting male abuse towards women through Willoughby’s constant demonstrations of it.

It will be a needless distraction for JK to deal with this. But then again, she does seem up for it. If she can fight this, it will set the precedent which is what she was willing to do. JK is a brave woman.

How does this fit in with the College of Policing's new code on recording non-crime hate incidents?

"Consider, using common sense reasoning and drawing on supporting information where available, whether the subject involved in the incident in question was motivated by intentional hostility or prejudice towards a particular characteristic."

I think it's highly questionable to argue that JKR's tweets met this threshold.

Full code here:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/non-crime-hate-incidents-code-of-practice/non-crime-hate-incidents-code-of-practice-on-the-recording-and-retention-of-personal-data-accessible

That headline from the Independent made me chortle. 'JK Rowling DELIBERATELY MISGENDERS trans activist India Willoughby'.

It instantly made me think of that Blackadder the Third episode with the actors where Blackadder deliberately keeps saying 'Macbeth' so they have to go through their elaborate ritual to exorcise the bad luck. Not quite as elaborate or as ludicrous as initiating legal proceedings, but the self-aggrandising pomposity of the actors is certainly familiar.

A short comic interlude for your Thursday morning.

The original tweet: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1825573057513103572

Compare and contrast: https://x.com/JackxJewell/status/1825978600459268273

When is this profoundly undemocratic NCHI nonsense going to come to a hardstop?

Can I just check - this man has had an NCHI recorded against a woman for calling him a 'man'?

I assume he has chosen a woman who is unlikely to do a SAR and seek further legal action on this, and/or take legal action against him for harassment and his own public abuse of women on social media?

If that's the case, then I'd like to thank him for his work in exposing the absolute farcical and illiberal nonsense that is NCHIs. These should be scrapped, and should never have been invented in the first place.

Perhaps JKR will point out all the other tweets which do not, apparently meet the threshold. And ask why. Including all those from Willoughby. And find out why she has been singled out.

And I guess now's the time she reports Willoughby for malicious communications.

it is pretty obvious she doesn't give willoughby a single thought from one moon to the next, but that would send them into the stratosphere. They will bury themselves in a whole stream of furious malicious communicating.

Or she can just ignore it, and not feed desperate attention seekers

Sadly, ignoring it may encourage many others to use similar tactics against women who do need to have a clear record. It needs to be challenged so that this decision doesn't create an even greater mass of these incidents being recorded.

Haha - on clicking those TwiX links I have just realised that I've been blocked by Willoughby and I didn't even realise. Yessss!

Yes, this isn't about JKR, it's about how a man can target and harass a woman, have a NCHI recorded against her and potentially this may affect her job prospects etc.

I don't know, but I don't think JKR is motivated by her own personal interests. She's an intelligent woman who understands that her privilege both makes her a target for unhinged and possibly dangerous people but also gives her the means to protect and defend herself but thereby concomitantly afford the same protection to many others.

this isn't about JKR, it's about how a man can target and harass a woman, have a NCHI recorded against her and potentially this may affect her job prospects etc.

Agreed. Whatever happens, this abuse of process is a smart career and profile-raising move by IW.

IW lacks sufficient relevance to be a paid commenter or media interviewee in IW's own right. This may well be a temporary fix to that and would certainly give IW something to dine out on for some time.

It's outrageous that this dangerous assault on our legal justice system should ever have come into practice in the first place.

You cannot 'convict' someone who has never been found guilty of a crime via due legal process. With this hideous blacklist of 'wrong think', anyone can report anyone for some frivolous reason (calling a man a man). Names can be added without ever informing an individual that theirs has appeared on this undemocratic, draconian, non-legal, dictatorship-style shit list. It might only come to light when, for example, that individual applies for an overseas visa.

Sarah Phillimore only discovered she had been added because the person who reported her boasted about it on TwiX. I think she then applied under FoI and intended to use the courts, via Fair Cop, to challenge it. So far I'm unaware of any outcome to this.

JKR is a shrewd, intelligent woman who does seem to have a method behind what she does. She's certainly interacted with a highly reactive person whose responses to GC women are well documented in various formats. She's also been willing to put her head over the parapet before, namely to expose the ridiculousness of the new Scottish law earlier this spring.

If that's her intention, she's a trooper.

I'd also be interested to know if Sarah Phillimore's legal challenge was ever successful. Potential terrorism watch lists (confidential) are one thing, but you can't be having blacklists of people who happen to hold personal and political views that go against whatever happens to be today's zeitgeist. It sets a very dangerous precedent.

Im sure JKR was aware of this potential outcome when she made the 1 April thread, and hopefully she will be able to bring more attention to this practice, leading to reforms.

The language aspect of this ideology is falling apart at the moment.

The previous peak of Isla Bryson then moved to a lower peak but just as important as the Scottish hate law changes, then Khelif and Lin have caused a significant breach, and I think that this NCHI may have to the potential to blow open the language aspect even more.

Language has already moved on, and as we see Operation: Let them speak keep rolling through we get little gems like being reminded that 'cis' is now completely meaningless after the doubling down that Khelif and Lin are 'cis women' and activists are now also upfront that being trans no longer is an issue of gender dysphoria. So, therefore if we can keep reminding people that this is no longer the emotional appeal to protect those with gender dysphoria, the only basis that remains common is philosophical belief. Which no one should feel the need to comply with.

I am all for Operation: Let them speak. Refusing to use the language is really causing people to start thinking about this. Once the initial 'be kind' mantra has lost power, there is nothing there.

I don't think JKR is motivated by her own personal interests. She's an intelligent woman who understands that her privilege both makes her a target for unhinged and possibly dangerous people but also gives her the means to protect and defend herself but thereby concomitantly afford the same protection to many others.

yes, I agree.

There are two strands, in my view.

Tackling Willoughby's time sucking vendetta, by counter accusation, but then it ends up in a never-ending slanging match.

Or ignoring willoughby personally (and all the malicious communications) and dealing with the NCHI as a concept, using hers as an example.

Ignoring Willoughby, cutting them out entirely, but not allowing this to stand, is probably the sweet spot.

And the power of those campaign groups such as Stonewall who gained such power over organisations is waning in the light of each of these over reach events.

The more light that Willoughby shines the better!

Yes, I think she made it clear with her tweets with the Hate Crime laws that she is attracting the complaints because she has the capacity for it not to cause her anywhere near the harm it would cause other women.

She was all about establishing the precedence then, and this is part of the fall out.

It is a bright beacon that Willoughby continues to shine on the special privileges that this group have. The additional privileges separate from the same rights we all have, I mean. Let's face it, what woman or girl would be able to get an NCHI registered like this?

JKRs willingness to attract people (men) with a very very tenuous grasp of reality, and the risks of that, in order to protect other women is frankly one of the bravest things I've ever seen.

She's a Queen and a legend (and presumably also Gryffindor).

Datun · Today 11:12

Perhaps JKR will point out all the other tweets which do not, apparently meet the threshold. And ask why. Including all those from Willoughby. And find out why she has been singled out.

And I guess now's the time she reports Willoughby for malicious communications.

I think that would be a very good thing, because from what I've seen, many of Willyby's output would certainly reach the threshold of criminality. If them were to be convicted, perhaps similar types could be, too. It would certainly make some of the less bonkers ones think twice.

IT beggars belief that the Police could look at her site and see, for example, what the knife and axe person has posed and conclude that JKR is the one in the wrong. Madness.

Can we also point out that Willoughby has a long history of abuse directed towards JK Rowling?

And Willoughby is now assisted by the police in further controlling JK Rowling's language around discussing male abuse towards women.

I wonder if the police thought this through? How they are now fully supportive of an abuser continuing to abuse the abuser's victim? While that abuser claims special privileges including victimhood.

DARVO in action. Supported by the Northumbria Police.

You're forgetting that woman hatred apparently is one of the requirements for a job in the police. See also: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5147613-ex-police-officer-jailed-for-serial-vaw

Couzens, Carrick, misogyny in the police force is a feature not a bug.