Extreme misogyny will be classed as terrorism !

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"Extreme misogyny will be treated as terrorism for the first time to combat the radicalisation of young men online, according to reports."
Government plans will look to tackle violence against women and girls in the same way as Islamist and far-Right extremism, amid fears that current Home Office guidance is too narrow."

Wow, and its the full moon and all...

It's very clear something needs to be done for women and girls

Absolutely but to jump to Prevent seems to not recognise the source of misogyny. ie our society.

If so, are daughters going to start reporting their fathers, sisters their brothers, stupid men on tv, or who think they are comedians.

Or men like Russel Brand who claim his problems started because his father left explicit porn lying round the house. Will be be able to claim the status of victim of extremism.

Incel culture doesn't spring out of nowhere. Its just an extreme representation of the messages society is sending.

Exactly

Secondly its just seem totaly hypocrasy. It was decided misogyny wouldn't be seen as hate speech, and now suddenly its so bad its going to be included in the Prevent programme?

The last Tory government decided not to make misogyny a Hate Crime, probably because they were a very misogynist party. We have a new government now. I hope they work for women and I see their recognition of misogyny for the extremism it is, as a good sign.

I'm also glad they've clarified that misgendering is not and will not be illegal and they're committed to restrictions on puberty blockers.

The last Tory government decided not to make misogyny a Hate Crime, probably because they were a very misogynist party

Yes it would be nice to blame the Tory party but in fact it was lobbying form women's groups, and individualists like Joan Smith, who said it would make it harder to convict men of violence against women. Or some such nonsense.

ie rather than see that having misogyny as a hate crime, mean an act of violence against a woman could incure extra penalties if seen as a hate crime, they thought women should just make do with somehow always being the victims of male violence as though it was "natural".

Beware the women who claim to speak for women. Not because they are themselves powerful, but because they give a misogynistic society plausible validity.

Yes it would be nice to blame the Tory party but in fact it was lobbying form women's groups, and individualists like Joan Smith, who said it would make it harder to convict men of violence against women. Or some such nonsense.

The only time they "listened"🙄 to women was when it furthered their own misogynist agenda.

The only time they "listened"🙄 to women was when it furthered their own misogynist agenda
Rubbish. They had the sense to halt reforms to the GRA, when Labour still pushed for rhem

I do think it is a coincidence this has been proposed right after little girls have been stabbed in the uk. First the Southport stabbings and then the 11 year old girl in London. I think it is safe to assume that the government know the motives of these stabbers by now and I strongly suspected from the beginning misogyny was a big part of the motive for these targeted attacks. Let’s be clear, misogyny SHOULD be illegal, period. It has been illegal for many years to incite hatred to a specific group but for some reason misogyny is allowed.
Misogyny isn’t freedom of speech, it is inciting hatred towards women and inciting hatred will lead to violence. It should have the same legal implications as racism and shouldn’t be allowed at all. How many more women and little girls need to die before people realise it’s a dangerous ideology. Also can we please stop allowing religious groups to have a free pass with inciting hatred, hiding behind religion can’t be tolerated anymore either.

Misogyny isn’t freedom of speech, it is inciting hatred towards women and inciting hatred will lead to violence. It should have the same legal implications as racism and shouldn’t be allowed at all.

I completely agree @Millie1501.👏👏👏

First the Southport stabbings and then the 11 year old girl in London.

It was strange how the attack on the young girl in the middle of London didn't attract more media attention.

Southport was beyond horrible, but the idea that a mother and daughter on a day out in central london would be randomly attacked is terrifying.

I share your caution @ResisterOfTwaddleRex - and that's why I'm also sceptical of including misogyny in the hate crime legislation. I can see how men would use it against women they want to silence or harass.

OTOH, there's pretty solid research data by feminist academic sociologists & criminologists that many terrorists (the obvious kind - bombers, knife wielders, shooters) are domestic abusers before they become terrorists.

Killing people because you think they are infidels isn't terrorism.

Killing or threatening non-military targets to create fear in the public which will pressure the state to create certain kinds of political policy is terrorism - especially if it's as part of some politically oriented group.

I think Incel culture is a combination of the isolation of young men and societal misogny.

Well there you have it, men can also seek to use this legislation therefore making it useless for actual women.

Hang on, he's not First Minister any more. And the SNP aren't in control in Scotland any more.
Fake news.

I'm confused re Joan Smith who I don't know much about, as @ArabellaScott has just posted on another thread regarding the plans to treat the men who are deemed the most violent towards women as terrorists (hope you don't mind the quote Arabella)

Re the 'terrorism' classification, Joan Smith has written on the links between dv and terrorism- 'Home Grown' - virtually every convicted terrorist has a history of dv, so the link may well be sound.

Link to thread with times article detailing plans

The Times: Worst domestic abusers to be monitored like terrorists www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5145289-the-times-worst-domestic-abusers-to-be-monitored-like-terrorists

FFS

@TempestTost Killing people who you view as infidels is definitely terrorism, what are you talking about. Killing civilians to push an ideology is the definition of terrorism. Most of the terrorists on the governments terror watchlist are Islamists who target infidels.

The thing is misogyny is a dangerous ideology so specifically targeting women and girls to kill SHOULD be classed as terrorism, I think that’s what will happen.

I do not understand how anyone can be skeptical for making misogyny a hate crime when that is so desperately needed. The violence against women and girls in this country is on the rise. Due to the internet young boys are being manipulated to hate women and girls, their views are getting more extreme than ever. There is no point just reacting to the violence, that’s the symptom and not the cause. If we make misogyny a crime like racism is it won’t be socially acceptable to be misogynist, people will be too ashamed to publicly say something misogynistic, eventually.

As for people saying men will use it against us, some might try but I don’t see them being able to do that. Misandry is a word they have made up to make themselves the victims. Now I can’t see the government making misandry a hate crime as it doesn’t bloody exist. It’s just a word to deflect blame onto women.

The Southport stabber was 17 so I doubt he was known to authorities for domestic violence at that age. That’s why misogyny as an ideology needs to be tackled or people like him will slip through the net.

Yep this can only be a sensible thing really. Needs to be nipped in the bud, but I'd also suggest they treat misandry the same too if we want equality. I see a lot of men hating posts especially on tiktok. If anything I see more men hating posts than woman hating posts. Maybe they already routinely take down woman hating posts but leave the men hating posts. Dunno.

Are women killing men at a rate of 2-3 per week?

Can we not have one fucking day of some hope that the government will take the harassment, rape and murder of women and girls seriously without thinking 'what about the men'?

Not a tiktok user so dont see posts apparently "men hating". But I see plenty of posts about men being jerks because there are a lot of male jerks. Cant imagine there are many posts threatening violence to men though because physically women are the weaker sex. There are plenty of posts from men threatening women.

Woman's hour are discussing misogyny as extremism, linked to a piece about major delays in bringing rape cases to court.

Yep.

It comes back to 'Men are scared that women will laugh at them, Women are scared that men will kill them'

That's the fucking difference that the NAMALTS / "What about all the men hating posts?" people Never. Fucking. Get.

Women and Girls being Murdered is just a little bit different to people posting negative stuff about men on TikTok. (And pehaps there's a bloody good reason for a negative narrative about men, at the moment)

Not hard to grasp, surely?

Or practising domestic violence to the point where it's a factor in a suicide every 4 days?

Dr Katie Hoeger and Dr Lis Bates, the lead academic authors of the report, said: “Our report lays bare the scale of deaths following domestic abuse, with at least one victim suicide every four days and murder by a partner or family member every three days. This demands urgent collective action and not only from police – these victims and perpetrators are known to many other agencies.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/14/suicide-toll-prompts-call-for-more-support-for-uk-domestic-abuse-victims

Yes, I'd say anything Joan Smith has published is really sound.

She's been onto this for a long time - way before transactivism radicalised a lot of women & turned them into feminists.

You might enjoy her novel (from the 1980s, iirc) Why Aren't They Screaming? about male violence against women..