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Extreme misogyny will be classed as terrorism !

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Omlettes · 18/08/2024 06:24

"Extreme misogyny will be treated as terrorism for the first time to combat the radicalisation of young men online, according to reports."
Government plans will look to tackle violence against women and girls in the same way as Islamist and far-Right extremism, amid fears that current Home Office guidance is too narrow."

Wow, and its the full moon and all...

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Honourthyname7 · 19/08/2024 18:47

Emily1583 · 19/08/2024 11:59

Please read my comment again instead of jumping off the deep end into a rant. I'll repeat once again for you; misogyny needs to be dealt with. What I'm saying is both misogyny and misandry are a problem though. They are both forms of hate, usually born on social media. One problem needing attention doesn't mean another problem should be ignored. To pretend so is part of the overall root problem. I'm just writing as a 11 yr old boy mum who can see the sort of online misandry posts. Social media really is one of the very worst inventions of the 21st century and needs to be regulated properly. It's just a platform for spreading hate and division.

I wouldn’t call women's absolute despair at watching men literally getting away with doing/saying whatever they want to and about women “misandry”

So women are fighting back with words on social media, maybe turning the tables on their double standards and hypocrisy.

From what I’ve seen on social media the only thing men fear from women is a false allegation, they are too ignorant to do the research and see statistically they are more at risk from sexual assault from a male themselves, than false accusations from women.

Men have been so used to their privileges for way too long that they see women saying enough as misandry. They are literally proving how weak they are spitting their dummy because the law and women say no more to abusing, disrespecting and controlling us.

Some of us see it for what it is.

Honourthyname7 · 19/08/2024 18:56

YellowphantGrey · 19/08/2024 12:21

As long as it isn't a group of men who create the rules and laws around. No doubt they will give themselves and every other man plenty of legal loop holes.

I wonder what the definition of extreme means to them and how bad does it have to be for men to be deterred? Quite frightening to see what they decide the thresholds will be

There’s plenty of women at the top who hate other women.

YellowphantGrey · 19/08/2024 19:08

Honourthyname7 · 19/08/2024 18:56

There’s plenty of women at the top who hate other women.

Which women at the top actively hate women as much men and would actively pass the loopholes to allow their abuse and killings to continue?

Honourthyname7 · 19/08/2024 19:17

YellowphantGrey · 19/08/2024 19:08

Which women at the top actively hate women as much men and would actively pass the loopholes to allow their abuse and killings to continue?

I know she’s not labour but think the type of woman priti patel is, so many women at the top who are scared to put their neck out for fear of being a drama queen or moaning feminist. I know in some ways they are victims of misogyny because they’re scared their career will suffer so laugh along or put up and shut up.

But there is women who are at heart women haters and have little sympathy and victim blame, you see them on mumsnet every day they have no shame.

Omlettes · 20/08/2024 18:28

Honourthyname7 · 19/08/2024 19:17

I know she’s not labour but think the type of woman priti patel is, so many women at the top who are scared to put their neck out for fear of being a drama queen or moaning feminist. I know in some ways they are victims of misogyny because they’re scared their career will suffer so laugh along or put up and shut up.

But there is women who are at heart women haters and have little sympathy and victim blame, you see them on mumsnet every day they have no shame.

Shameless hussies😂

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NPET · 20/08/2024 21:55

Omlettes · 20/08/2024 18:28

Shameless hussies😂

I don't think Priti Patel can be used as an example of anything except How Not To Exist!

Omlettes · 20/08/2024 22:04

NPET · 20/08/2024 21:55

I don't think Priti Patel can be used as an example of anything except How Not To Exist!

Charming.

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endofthelinefinally · 21/08/2024 09:40

Yvette Cooper believes men can be women and children can change sex. So probably not the best person to be dealing with this.

quantumbutterfly · 21/08/2024 10:09

Omlettes · 20/08/2024 22:04

Charming.

It's one of those thoughtless but crowd-pleasing soundbites isn't it.

What's the phrase? Bread and circuses?

Dygger · 21/08/2024 10:11

NPET · 20/08/2024 21:55

I don't think Priti Patel can be used as an example of anything except How Not To Exist!

Just when you thought we'd managed to achieve a nuanced, informed level level of discussion — and then you get this.

MumBoss99 · 21/08/2024 11:30

DustyYogaMat · 18/08/2024 06:52

It seems to be centring around incel / Tate ideology from what I’ve read thus far.

Well, thats entirely undefinable in law I should think - censorship always backfires....

Brefugee · 21/08/2024 14:33

NPET · 20/08/2024 21:55

I don't think Priti Patel can be used as an example of anything except How Not To Exist!

that is a vile thing to say about anyone. Think what it actually means.

I did ask MN to remove it, but apparently we have to challenge stuff like this in the thread. I didn't want to let something like this pass without comment.

I thought we were better than this?

AlisonDonut · 21/08/2024 14:35

So calling people that want kids mutilated and sterilised 'ghouls' is deletable but saying a woman needs to die needs to be challenged on the thread.

What a world eh.

quantumbutterfly · 21/08/2024 14:45

AlisonDonut · 21/08/2024 14:35

So calling people that want kids mutilated and sterilised 'ghouls' is deletable but saying a woman needs to die needs to be challenged on the thread.

What a world eh.

sounds like extreme misogyny to me.

Brefugee · 21/08/2024 14:53

AlisonDonut · 21/08/2024 14:35

So calling people that want kids mutilated and sterilised 'ghouls' is deletable but saying a woman needs to die needs to be challenged on the thread.

What a world eh.

Baffling to me. Given that we are making progress on having posts calling people "Karens" disposed of sometimes.

TorghunKhan · 21/08/2024 15:14

AlisonDonut · 21/08/2024 14:35

So calling people that want kids mutilated and sterilised 'ghouls' is deletable but saying a woman needs to die needs to be challenged on the thread.

What a world eh.

It's almost as if any attempt to make mysogyny illegal will backfire - because what we categorise is all over the place and who decides.

AlisonDonut · 21/08/2024 15:55

TorghunKhan · 21/08/2024 15:14

It's almost as if any attempt to make mysogyny illegal will backfire - because what we categorise is all over the place and who decides.

I mean if saying a woman needs to be dead isn't misogyny then what's the point?

Honourthyname7 · 21/08/2024 16:01

Oops maybe i shouldn’t have used Priti Patel as an example of an unsupportive woman of women.

TorghunKhan · 21/08/2024 16:35

AlisonDonut · 21/08/2024 15:55

I mean if saying a woman needs to be dead isn't misogyny then what's the point?

if we can't define islamophobia, if we can't define antisemitism or transphobia, what makes you think we will be able to define misogyny in law?

UtopiaPlanitia · 21/08/2024 17:11

Mary Harrington has written an interesting article on the topic of this thread - I posted some highlights below:

https://unherd.com/2024/08/the-truth-about-extremist-misogyny/

‘But “misogyny” is also a slippery beast, and not just thanks to many Labour politicians’ well-documented inability to give a coherent definition of “woman”. What counts specifically as hatred towards women is at least somewhat subjective, a fact that led LBC’s Ben Kentish to suggest that the policy might unduly chill speech. But Jess Phillips, the minister for safeguarding and violence against women and girls, told Kentish that the new provisions would simply be subject to the same test as Islamist or far-Right ideology.

So that’s all fine then, isn’t it? Well, perhaps — at least if this is rigorously followed. But the difficulty with “misogyny” as a metric is that it’s both very emotive, and also very broad. At the risk of stating the obvious, half the planet’s human population is female, and this in turn means you could attract accusations of misogyny for criticising almost any large-scale group or institution. Given this, it would surely be difficult for any politician to resist wielding such a useful designation on Schmittian principles.

…Yvette Cooper might add to this that, by contrast, extreme misogyny is clearly present in Britain, and not yet covered by existing counter-extremism provisions. But while these things are all true, it’s also true that as well as being unenthusiastic about misogyny, Labour politicians tend also to be keen on diversity, and broadly in favour of a generous immigration and refugee policy.

And migrants bring their cultures with them. Indeed, progressive supporters of migration argue that it is beneficial because the resulting diversity enriches the host country. And perhaps it really is true that migrants bring only the nice bits of their original cultures, such as tasty food. But if they bring everything else, as well, what happens when that includes being habituated to the kind of extreme misogyny the West spent futile trillions trying to expunge from Afghanistan? Then it must surely follow that the kind of misogyny normalised in places such as Afghanistan will no longer be irrelevant to British policy, and British women, but will find expression here as well.

…Should we discover the new and pliant weapon of “extreme misogyny” is being less evenly deployed, though, this politicisation of woman-hating will come with a bitter layer of irony. For in this case Cooper and Phillips will be exhibiting so casual an indifference to the real-world safety of British women and girls we might even call it misogynistic.’

The truth about extremist misogyny

https://unherd.com/2024/08/the-truth-about-extremist-misogyny

Omlettes · 21/08/2024 18:15

@UtopiaPlanitia At this point it comes across as hair splitting and chicken little.
Nothing is perfectly workable but if it can be done for Racism it can be done for Misogyny.
On a personal level, growing up in an acutely misogynistic household in the 70s and abusive partners and being acutely aware of it through the ages in all aspects and cultures, I welcome it.
And the concern that Tra will manipulate it,besides the obvious, that it is extreme misogyny that is at issue, so likely impossible for a tra to prove, the tide is clearly turning, and the fad is coming to its natural end

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