Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

If anyone wonders why working class women like Lippy and Aja are turned off by the patronising, uninformed, sneering disregard of many middle class feminists, they should read this thread. Night all.

The Head Girls are also the founding members of the 'KJK is a Poo Poo Head' club.

Oh but just before I go @Dumbo12

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/10/keir-starmer-denies-he-knew-cps-was-prosecuting-post-office-operators

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/post-office-scandal-keir-starmer-b2476524.html

Observing this from the other side of the Atlantic, I just can't get over this. These people couldn't possibly have been represented by a competent defense. The US would have descended into chaos if those who stormed the capital on January 6th after Trump lost had been convicted and sentenced within a week. The trials for the rioters are still happening, years later. Even criminals have a right to a fair justice system.

You think it to be sneering? A difference of opinion? That says much to me. Even if I don't always agree with KJK or those in her orbit, I do value their opinions - as they're different to mine and I can learn from that.

FWIW, I didn't detect any sneering or disregard. I did read more than a few crude insults and useless epithets from one side, though. Yours.

Do you think that people who disagree with you aren't capable of thinking?

No, I think it's become very clear that Julie Bindel & Joanna Cherry are just not very bright.

Well

https://x.com/gcletter/status/1824906269389463793?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/hatpinwoman/status/1824936453324898568?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

So that’s a JCJ aligned woman hounded out and scapegoated for raising concerns about targeted squabbling?
So basically a long history of the same kind of behaviour, isolating and excluding specific individuals who are insufficiently biddable?

Poor show.
Organised bullying.
Despicable.

I'm old school left wing, when we used to say 'i disagree with you but I fight to the death for your right to say it'.

And yet @AlisonDonut you continue to insult & attack other posters on this thread with whom you disagree. To the extent that a number of your posts engaging with me (well, shouting at me, really) have been deleted.

So that's fighting to the death for my right to - very mildly - explain what motivated me to sign the letter.

And also your response to my consistently even-handed assessments of KJK and those who disagree with her?

And also your response to my consistent posts on this thread advocating for multiple points of view within the women's movement, and saying that I believe there is room for all of us to contribute what we can?

Yeah, right.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

No, I think it's become very clear that Julie Bindel & Joanna Cherry are just not very bright.

Like this example above, Eresh. (Re: sneering disregard).

You signed the letter about someone that you seem unable to name.

A letter that will put a target on women's backs.

And then you have the brass neck to go on about multiple viewpoints being allowed.

Apparently not, according to the letter you signed.

I’m somewhat surprised disagreeing with someone on here is consistently and persistently being portrayed as stifling free speech and personal attacks, while signing a public, open letter that accuses someone else of inflaming racism and being far right is not.

The letter I signed mentions "Robinson" whom I took to mean Stephen Yaxley-Green aka Tommy Robinson. It mentions opposition to far-right racism, which is covered by UK legislation about hate speech.

The letter does not try to stop others speaking. It simply says that the far right racist attacks we've seen, which purport to be in support of the safety of women & girls, are not in my/our name.

Do you support racist speech? I'm assuming you don't, but it would be easy to misconstrue your posts to infer that you do ...

So you would rather the people of the far right get into gender ideology?

I don’t see this as a risk or as a high priority for the GC movement. It’s detrimental to our cause for far right racist misogynists to start speaking up on this issue. I would absolutely prefer that they kept quiet.

The letter has turned out to be a right royal embarrassment all round. Written by two men, with a woman running around after them, gathering signatures (can't have teh menz doing any donkey work can we). Not even brave enough to name anyone in it. Because then they'd have to legally defend it. Why not? Because they know they wouldn't be able to do so?

The back peddlers have further embarrassed themselves with their "reasons". There's no self reflection at all.

Of course it's had an excellent reply which has shone more light on the ongoings at Radical Notion, which no one who signed it is even acknowledging. FiLiA even sent out their email containing the original letter knowing there was a response to it. But there was no attempt to give their readers balance by showing it - which frankly seems like suppression of information and another feature of this whole debacle that should be reflected on.

Wow. That is so ludicrous. Where did you get that idea from? Is it your own?

Posters can absolutely fuck off with any suggestions that working class people can't sign a letter opposing anti-Muslim racism. Or that anyone who signed it is from some elite or not very bright.

It's extraordinary to watch FWR descend into a populist mess of conspiracy.

The current government were voted in six weeks ago, with a large majority, those who are unhappy about that will have to exercise their democratic rights and hope that they can change the government at the next General election.

A large majority gifted to them by FPTP. They received about 33-34% of the votes cast, which translates to around 22% of those eligible to vote. However you look at it, the 'majority' didn't vote Labour.

The letter has turned out to be a right royal embarrassment all round.

I disagree. It’s a well-written letter that I’m sure signatories and others remain happy with. People will continue to speak up and differentiate from GC alignment with the far right, especially as GCs get more and more entrenched.

This isn’t going away because of a hostile response on mumsnet and Twitter. Individuals and groups will continue to put a line in the sand to make it clear - we are not on the same side as populists and racists. We’re here due to feminist principles and that remains the case.

Regarding the right and gender ideology, I don't think anyone is saying that people on the right politically shouldn't have the same rights, information and so on as everyone else. Obviously, no sensible person wants any child pushed down a gender identity path.

I think the potential problem of engaging with the far right is that its ideology is never going to be a friend to women,. What seems to happen is that this ideology influences the (mainly) women who were trying to inform the right.

Hence the 'GC' accounts that have moved from 'at least the right know what a woman is' to 'TR has a point', great replacement theory and stolen election rhetoric in a few short weeks.

From their letter and their behaviour and their [many years of] activity.

This absolutely is to try and put one certain woman in her place.

The same people who were banging on about 'just get the Tories out, we'll sort it all out from inside the party' are the ones now jumping on the increase in the 'They're all Far Right' rhetoric to try and silence the person that the woman scurrying round getting signatures for the boys has been trying to get for years.

They'd love nothing more than to see the woman that cannot be named in jail for several years. This is a feature not a bug.

FWIW, I didn't detect any sneering or disregard.

Yes, that's possibly a you problem. Coming at me with whataboutery doesn't refute the point I made.

Gosh. It’s such a stretch though? They’ve written/signed a letter, the content of which clearly says things like:

We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement, and that one major account in particular has actively fanned the flames of racist violence with increasingly inflammatory video messages.… Certain views, however, cross a clear line, and we are not prepared to work or share a banner with supporters of the far right… We are not prepared to accept the hard work done by so many being co-opted and endangered by people inciting and defending race riots. Not only will it make it much harder for us to get the hearing we desperately need from the new government, but we are ethically compelled to have no truck with any form of racism.

And you take that as being a complete facade? The letter isn’t really about concerns with GC social media accounts promoting anti-Muslim rhetoric, they don’t really care about racism. It’s really a ploy to get one woman in jail.

Which woman are you thinking of? Do you genuinely think people have sat around and invented this letter as a ploy to get a woman sent to jail? Is it that far fetched to you, the idea that people genuinely care about anti-Muslim rhetoric, or is it pure paranoia about this “one woman”? Why do you think they want this woman in jail?

Here's the whole paragraph in case accidentally missed:

"The letter has turned out to be a right royal embarrassment all round. Written by two men, with a woman running around after them, gathering signatures (can't have teh menz doing any donkey work can we). Not even brave enough to name anyone in it. Because then they'd have to legally defend it. Why not? Because they know they wouldn't be able to do so?"

And the rest of what I said. I do at least think the fact FiLiA sent out a newsletter containing partial information is a big concern. And yes, I'd call it suppression of information. If people on their email list don't have Twitter, how are they to know the full picture? Why hide it?:

"The back peddlers have further embarrassed themselves with their "reasons". There's no self reflection at all.

Of course it's had an excellent reply which has shone more light on the ongoings at Radical Notion, which no one who signed it is even acknowledging. FiLiA even sent out their email containing the original letter knowing there was a response to it. But there was no attempt to give their readers balance by showing it - which frankly seems like suppression of information and another feature of this whole debacle that should be reflected on."

This has been going on years. Since one woman who cannot be named that even the signatories to the letter forgot they signed a letter about said in 4 words what the academics had spent years upon years trying to explain to the proles.

This is absolutely about We The Undersigned being much more educated than the mysterious woman who cannot be named.

This is 100% about working out that the new Labour Anti Far Right Militant Force can be puppeted to take action against the woman who cannot be named, and that they so are scared of naming her because they fear her.