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Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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hellotowel · 14/08/2024 22:32

https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

Since the horrific murders in Southport on 29 July, the UK has seen an alarming outbreak of far-right violence, with organised gangs targeting mosques and setting fire to asylum hostels. It is clea…

https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right

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ArcheryAnnie · 16/08/2024 03:04

IwantToRetire · 16/08/2024 02:48

The "no issue" is that there is no evidence that GC women are flocking to support the far left.

The issue is the group implying that they are.

I dont care what KJK said in response.

All this effort of what abouterry.

Why has this group concocted this untruth.

Why do some on FWR want to help inflate this untruth.

...do you mean the far right?

And where is the "untruth" when the main person doing it has a very, very large following? Why do you want to sweep this all under the carpet?

Trumpetoftheswan2 · 16/08/2024 03:27

That the far right has and is influencing some 'GC' women is true. Posters have provided the examples you asked for.

You can continue to call these connections an 'untruth', but that doesn't alter the facts.

And other people are allowed to notice things that you choose to ignore and amplify/lend their support.

GenderRealistBloke · 16/08/2024 03:53

Anyone GC should want the far right, far left, and anyone in-between to be gender critical, surely?

"Because you are far right, I'd like you to support and enforce rigid gender roles" would be a very odd thing for a GC person to say.

In which case it cannot be an objection that some GC people are far right (I'd be surprised if there are many though).

If what's being objected to is being far right, then object to that directly.

AlisonDonut · 16/08/2024 05:27

myotherdogisadonkey · 16/08/2024 02:05

I've signed this and it is so sad that it is needed. My 18 year old daughter's lovely Kurdish friends were terrified to walk down the street last week when the "protests" were going on. Two lovely hard working young girls. Bloody disgusting. I hate racists.They do not speak for the working class. I am working class and they most definitely do not speak for me or any of my friends or family.

Can you confirm who the letter is about then?

Thanks.

BackToLurk · 16/08/2024 06:46

TempestTost · 15/08/2024 23:36

So it sounds like you are saying you have an ideological view which maintains that it is not possible that a particular community of people from outside the UK could have some very problematic ideas that it would be bad to allow to gain cultural and political traction here.

I suppose that sounds very nice, but I don't think it's actually factual. I can think of all kinds of instances of ideas found within some certain culture that are not particularly present in the UK, and which I would not want to be present in the UK.

That is not to say that the UK won't have people with their own problematic ideologies, but a) those are our problems to deal with, those people are citizens, and b) why would that mean we are morally obliged to import other problems?

You seem to be implying that all problematic ideologies are distributed equally and are somehow equally bad, I'm not sure what mechanism would account for that kind of equality across time and space?

Try reading it again.

BackToLurk · 16/08/2024 06:48

IwantToRetire · 16/08/2024 01:14

According to the KJK video reply, the letter was co-ordinated by Rosie Duffield which may explain why it sounds like a "please mister boss, I am not one of those nasty GC women, I am one of the nice GC women.

Just more evidence that the Labour Party is under control of henchmen that women have to ingratiate themselves to.

This act of humble contriteness must be part of the 10, or is it 20, or maybe 30 steps she has to follow before being properly allowed back into the Labour fold.

And by the way, if KJK has no evidence that it was coordinated by Rosie Duffield I apologise in advance for believing unsubstantiated statements made on social media.!

But as i said earlier it appears to be being coordinated by Darren Johnson who I though was a failed Green politician or have I muddled him up with someone else.

What is really strange if this letter is meant to be about the influence of the far right following the riots, why single out GC women for criticism.

What was really depressing about the acts of violence and destruction on local communities, was that it was primarily the typical male response to anything. Physical violence.

But also, how else the "left behind" communities seem to have been duped into believing that the decisions of the ruling class over the past half century or so, have led to the huge social divide we have. And have been persuaded that somehow a powerless group who have no status in the UK, have the power to have gradually over the years devasted their standard of living.

Why wasn't the letter about the rioters being so easily led up the garden path.

Why think that the most important issue in the UK following the riots and mindless destruction, is to focus of gender critical women.

And lets face it, as someone on facebook said, if GC women where as powerful and important as the letter tries to suggest, we would all have been on the street after the horrific male violence in Southport, telling all men to stay at home, and say we wont leave the streets and wil be on strike until not just the Government but men as a whole address and acknowledge that it is their violence that is the problem.

I think the priorities of the letter writers and signatories show a complete lack of awareness of political issues in the UK, and are more interested in virtue signalling their elite group.

I’m assuming that KJK isn’t required to produce the same level of evidence for anything as random women on MN

MoltenLasagne · 16/08/2024 07:11

Did I miss the letter decrying the appalling antisemitism of known-but-unnamed GC feminists who justified October 7th as resistance? I mean, if we're making sure we want to draw our red lines for the movement, there must be one somewhere condemning the celebration of mass rape and murder, right?

A lot of these very vocal and pure left-wing feminists have utterly disgusted me with some of the things they've said in the last year. I don't know how they think they have any kind of moral authority left tbh. Take the log out of your own eye first.

Trumpetoftheswan2 · 16/08/2024 07:19

The letter was coordinated by Simon Edge and Darren Johnson who are the first signatories.

The letter doesn't 'single out' 'GC' feminists. It is written and signed by people who are 'GC' who want to put clear blue water between themselves and the 'GC' people who are being influenced by and amplifying anti-Muslim, populist, far right hate. I can see that they believe this is necessary because a connection between 'GC' and the far right is in the public domain and they want no part of that.

MontagueMoo · 16/08/2024 07:38

Nothing to see here. Reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. Look, a squirrel.

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MontagueMoo · 16/08/2024 07:39

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 08:26

People are allowed to disagree with religion, aren't they? One, or all. People are allowed to disagree with what they see as inconsistent application of criminal justice. If you have the facts to show that they are objectively wrong, be a grown up and challenge them. Don't smear them vaguely as "far right" or the term loses all meaning.

Trumpetoftheswan2 · 16/08/2024 08:35

Ah, we seem to have moved from the 'It's not true' to 'Even if it is true, it doesn't matter' line of argument.

BackToLurk · 16/08/2024 08:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 08:26

People are allowed to disagree with religion, aren't they? One, or all. People are allowed to disagree with what they see as inconsistent application of criminal justice. If you have the facts to show that they are objectively wrong, be a grown up and challenge them. Don't smear them vaguely as "far right" or the term loses all meaning.

You are not banned from criticising Allah (tweet in second batch) and it won’t get you sent to prison. That tweet is a lie. You want to disingenuously pretend that it’s nothing to do with far right sympathies then you can, and others can draw different conclusions.

Brefugee · 16/08/2024 08:41

have not RTFT.

Is GC a movement? or is it a belief that various people of differing political beliefs share?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 08:45

"We" haven't done anything. I have been consistent across multiple threads that I'm not interested in these struggle sessions. I'm not accountable to you, Rosie Duffield, Simon Edge or Jane Clare Jones for any other of my political opinions and neither are these women. I don't have to agree with other women to want to protect their freedom of speech and to believe they are entitled to campaign for women's rights just as much as anyone else.

Grow up.

BackToLurk · 16/08/2024 08:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 08:45

"We" haven't done anything. I have been consistent across multiple threads that I'm not interested in these struggle sessions. I'm not accountable to you, Rosie Duffield, Simon Edge or Jane Clare Jones for any other of my political opinions and neither are these women. I don't have to agree with other women to want to protect their freedom of speech and to believe they are entitled to campaign for women's rights just as much as anyone else.

Grow up.

Has anyone said that some women aren’t entitled to campaign. Or have people expressed disagreement with their tactics and/or who they campaign with? Has anyone said some people don’t have freedom of speech? Or have they just used their freedom of speech to disagree with them?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 08:49

I don't care whether anyone on this thread has "said it", it's my perception. HTH.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 08:51

And how typical if it was started by a pair of Green Party men. With very few exceptions, men who attach themselves to GC women's concerns start throwing their weight around and deciding what women should do. Right or left wing men.

ArcheryAnnie · 16/08/2024 08:54

But it's perfectly reasonable for anyone else - including some of us here - to publicly disagree with these people and say why. That's how public debate on anything works.

My starting point is that I'm happy to work with - and amplify when I can - anyone who is standing up for women and girls' rights, and for LGB rights, even when we disagree on other things. But if they totally go off the rails I'm going to move away from them and say why.

Flibflobflibflob · 16/08/2024 08:58

As a brown woman I think there is two tier policing, man attacks daughter with a metal bar for wearing make up, literally beats her unconscious. Is he prosecuted? No. He goes on a fucking parenting course. He should have received a custodial sentence and his children removed. Imam rapes a child in his care but is let off because his wife doesn’t speak english. I’ve heard several stories from women where because they were brown the abuse they received from their families was basically treated as a community issue. Women are shamed by their own communities for saying there is a problem so no-one ever says anything and the police and the CPS are complicit. Anti-racists often choose to ignore oppression of women/homophobia as it’s inconvenient to accept that it happens.

I think it’s a lot more complicated than portrayed. I would be considered a racist if I were white at this point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 09:02

That's fine, obviously, you are free to do as you see fit. But the requiring everyone to join in alienating these women or they'll be smeared and judged themselves, no, I'm not going to be a part of it and I don't think it's helpful in any way. It's very left wing student politics though. Or Mao's China.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 09:02

Sorry my last was to @ArcheryAnnie

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 09:03

I would hope some of the pious women listen to your points @Flibflobflibflob

EdithStourton · 16/08/2024 09:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/08/2024 09:02

That's fine, obviously, you are free to do as you see fit. But the requiring everyone to join in alienating these women or they'll be smeared and judged themselves, no, I'm not going to be a part of it and I don't think it's helpful in any way. It's very left wing student politics though. Or Mao's China.

Yes, this.
I can disagree with someone ferociously. But I don't like guilt by association. I dislike intensely having to condemn the person I disagree with.

StainlessSteelMouse · 16/08/2024 09:12

EdithStourton · 16/08/2024 09:07

Yes, this.
I can disagree with someone ferociously. But I don't like guilt by association. I dislike intensely having to condemn the person I disagree with.

Same.

Also, I'm not embedded in left wing activism the way I once was, but I know enough people in that world that my immediate response to these regular open letters is "well, I don't think much of your associations". And my second response is to channel Jordan Peterson and go "clean your own damn room first".

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