Statement on the gender critical movement and the far right

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https://x.com/GCAntiFarRight/status/1823790909462602205

"We, the undersigned, are deeply disturbed that populist messages particularly targeting Muslims have gained traction among significant numbers of social media accounts associated with the gender critical movement."
Read and sign our statement below.
https://gcantifarright.wordpress.com/2024/08/13/statement-on-gc-movement-and-the-far-right/

I suppose maybe there isn’t a wolf. Maybe people genuinely believe that attacking mosques and migrant hostels isn’t far right at all

There are a number of women who have said on this thread, and others, that they have seen content that they consider to be supportive of the far right.

There have been lots of posters who claim this for sure, just as there are lots of posters who claim MN is awash with transphobia. They never seem to be able to provide actual evidence. Whether they are women is a moot point.

And synagogues?

Yep, and synagogues

As I said before, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. From those making the claims.

So SHOW me.

For the record, I don't like fascists. I come from a family that had its collective head kicked in by fascists. I know how it feels to look back up the generations and see massacre and torture.

@BackToLurk the whole point of the crying wolf story was that the boy cried wolf when there was NO wolf, repeatedly. And when the wolf finally showed, up, nobody believed him.

The point about the story of crying wolf was there was a wolf, but nobody would believe there was in the end.

Exactly - and just to repeat myself - I can believe it is true.

But not on the basis of endless "I remember somebody said ... " but not much else.

And certainly not to then claim because a performer may or may not have said or done something, means that the GC movement is now full to brimming with right wingers.

Where is the evidence?

Who are you talking about?

What did they say?

So far The Famous Artist Birdy Rose and Glinner have been named (though no quotes of what they said that justifies this) and an "artist" who took part in the Wakefield event.

How does this validate a letter saying the GC movement had been infiltrated by right wingers.

And what does it say about those who signed it.

TheFamousArtistBirdy and DJLippy may very well be working class women who have done lots for women's rights (they are and they have). But that isn't incompatible with them becoming mouth pieces for the far right, specially Yaxley-Lennon.

See also Henrietta Freeman, who I hate to criticise because she's had so much ableism thrown at her, but the anti-Muslim, anti-migration stuff that she's posting is really upsetting to see.

I can completely understand the authors and signatories of this letter wanting to distance themselves from this.

There is no wolf. There are no GC accounts cosying up to the far right.

But that simply isn't true. You cna say it all you like, but the association between prominent 'GC' account and the far right are in the public domain for all to see.

What utter nonsense are you aiming fir, here? A weak insinuation that the women of FWR are TRAs and somehow pulling the strings of C18 thugs? It'd be funny if it wasn't so bloody absurd.

Anyway, enough of this turgid, gossipy nothingburger. Hiding the thread.

Give me a link and I'll investigate. You have no authority as a source,you're just some random poster. Do you know how to do that

So - it looks like Freeman takes the view that Islamism, is a problem in the UK, and should be addressed.

Do you take the view that it's not possible for incompatible religious ideologies to exist or be come into a place like the UK? Or that it is, but shouldn't be restricted in any way?

somehow pulling the strings of C18 thugs?

Reminiscent of when I was accused of being personally responsible for the Proud Boys v Antifa outside WiSpa. In California.

I think it’s perfectly possible for incompatible religious ideologies to come to the U.K. I’d include all religious ideologies in that. As I assume you would. Not sure how you get from there to arguing that saying “refugees welcome here” ‘is ‘throwing our women and girls to the wolves’ as HF has.

There are a number of women who have said on this thread,
Nobody knows the sex or age of anyone here.

that they have seen content that they consider to be supportive of the far right.
Nobody knows what they have actually seen or even if it exists. Or even if they have understood what they have read.

If people like think they are lying them say that
I have no idea if they are lying or telling the truth. Not without seeing the evidence. But nobody will provide the evidence, so it's either being hidden for another reason or it doesn't exist.

And maybe outline what they think these women have to gain by lying.
Oh dear.

OK. Conversation between Birdy and JCJ.

Most of us got called “far right” as soon as we refused to pretend that men can be women. It’s a bit weird to now see women like you also calling us “far right”.
It’s why “far right” is completely meaningless now. Same as the word “nazi” and “fascist”.

https://x.com/TheFamousArtBR/status/1823982688337862675?t=CWSiMKh7rcfyntJSJAkXtw&s=19

You didn't just disagree Birdie. You made an argument that is equivalent to saying that the fact the boy cried wolf means that wolves stopped existing, and has been made so many times before that then fact it makes no sense needed to be specifically addressed in the letter.

You may remember that in the cautionary tale wolves did in fact continue to exist, and at the end everyone got eaten by a wolf.
https://x.com/janeclarejones/status/1824005167659790816?t=CWSiMKh7rcfyntJSJAkXtw&s=19

Hi Jane I keep asking you to spell my name properly but you’re refusing.
Anyway I made an argument HERE that we’ve all been called “far right” for just simply knowing what a woman is.
For some reason you’re reading my other statuses and lumping them all in together here, so let’s play that game.
You’re claiming that if people object to being called “far right” it’s because they’re denying that fascism could ever exist. Which is really disingenuous when people like me are just simply saying ya don’t get to call us “far right” for not being left wing enough - then expect people like me to CARE about the “far right” when I know your definition of that phrase is wrong.

🤷‍♀️https://x.com/TheFamousArtBR/status/1823999490736410793?t=CWSiMKh7rcfyntJSJAkXtw&s=19

If you want to try and argue that Tommy Robinson is not far right, that Tommy Robinson and others inciting racial violence against Muslim communities and asylum seekers isn't far right then that's up to you.

Nobody is obliged to think it's not bullshit.

You are fully entitled to your beliefs Birdy (apologies, I have no memory of you correcting the spelling of your name you have done so now and I am of course happy to do so). Other people are also entitled to criticise your beliefs, and to make it clear they do not want to politically associate with people who hold them.

And that's pretty much all there is to
it.https://x.com/janeclarejones/status/1824005167659790816?t=CWSiMKh7rcfyntJSJAkXtw&s=19

Hi Jane.
You’re the only person here talking about Tommy Robinson.
Please, tell me more about my “beliefs”… what are they, exactly?

https://x.com/TheFamousArtBR/status/1823996885067002221?t=CWSiMKh7rcfyntJSJAkXtw&s=19

Maybe all the people criticising the statement are various Tommy Robinson aliases. How can we ever know?

OK. Conversation between Birdy and JCJ.

Thanks - or rather I am now even more confused.

Not even sure that they each knew what the other was saying but no evidence of "known GC women" supporting racists.

It just seems to add to the arguement that some women immediately say if you dont agree with with them it must be because you are right wing or a racist. Or both.

Or that twitter does more harm than good.

I have experienced TR and others like him featuring on my X feed. I don't 'like' them, I don't follow any of them. But the algo clearly perceives overlap with the GC movement (just as we all acknowledge the overlap with fundamentalist American Christians). With respect to the far right, the first time the overlap came to wider public notice was after the mass sex assaults in Cologne. The protests were attended by women's groups AND the far right. And today there is unease shall I say about aspects of immigration and integration in Western countries, specifically within some women's groups. There are areas in this debate that touch strongly on WRs. The right to celebrate in public at night without being sexually assaulted as ref in Cologne. And many others which I won't list.

GCs have an easier time admitting the overlap with anti-abortion Christians. Because there is overlap in some areas by no means GCs sign up to their whole agenda. There IS some overlap with the far right. Both have a problem with poorly integrated young men displaying a culture of abusing women running amok in the country that has adopted them for instance.

Understandably there is a reluctance to see this for what it is. Particularly when the far right has such repulsive ideas of women, black and brown women and gay women. They cannot ever be part of any GC movement so it feels rather like a straw man.

There is a world of difference between someone appearing on one's twitter feed and going in person to their rally, particularly if you go to play I your music at that rally.

Can I just ask - does someone thinking that it is bad to be chucking gays off the top of a tall building mean that someone would be classified as 'far right'?

Just trying to get my all new definitions of 'Far-Right' finalised before the dictionary gets sent to the publisher.

May be you are Tommy Robinson?

True. But I have one anonymous Twitter account that I use to follow people. Never post, never 'like' so all the algorithms have to go on is connections between accounts. I've also been getting a lot of Yaxley-Lennon, anti-Brexit, anti-Muslim, anti-immigration, stolen election, and god knows that that I didn't a few months ago.

Is that your definition? Just asking for clarity