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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lobby Day in parliament - Sex Matters

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Imnobody4 · 14/08/2024 18:53

I can't make it unfortunately

On Wednesday 11th September, we will be going to the UK Parliament to lobby MPs to stand up for single-sex services and make the Equality Act clear. Will you join us?

The new government has said it will protect single-sex services for women, but it hasn’t said how. The current approach isn’t working. Service providers and employers are afraid to uphold clear rules. Women are being forced to undress in front of trans-identified males in their workplaces and leisure facilities, are being searched by trans-identified male police officers, and cannot be confident that “same-sex” healthcare provision or support after domestic abuse or rape will be genuinely female-only. What is a lobby day?A lobby day is when people go to Parliament together to speak to their MPs. You write to your MP in advance to tell them you are coming and ask for a meeting.More details in link.https://sex-matters.org/take-action/lets-go-to-parliament/

Let’s go to Parliament!  - Sex Matters

It's time to make the Equality Act clear.

https://sex-matters.org/take-action/lets-go-to-parliament

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Omlettes · 15/08/2024 03:26

This is great.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/08/2024 19:43

I'm going, I've got until then to practice my questions, I'm going to need more than 'What the fuck is wrong with the Labour Party' 🤨

Omlettes · 15/08/2024 19:55

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/08/2024 19:43

I'm going, I've got until then to practice my questions, I'm going to need more than 'What the fuck is wrong with the Labour Party' 🤨

My MP hasnt given me a straight answer on this for 6 years, and has wiggled out of a face to face on 4 occaisions, either that or his gatekeepers.
And this despite my donating to his campaign and mutual agreement on other issues.
So I'm thinking of going, although Im out of town, are you local or travelling?
I want to find someone to go with, Im coming from a very ground zero kind of place if you get my drift

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/08/2024 20:01

Omlettes - yes me too, I don't usually have the time to do anything 'active' and I'll be travelling in from Wales - 4 hrs on a coach, but I think it's time I did a bit more than just cheer from the side lines. I'm not expecting great things from my MP either, but if it's keeps the pressure on then I'm willing to give it a go.

Omlettes · 15/08/2024 20:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/08/2024 20:01

Omlettes - yes me too, I don't usually have the time to do anything 'active' and I'll be travelling in from Wales - 4 hrs on a coach, but I think it's time I did a bit more than just cheer from the side lines. I'm not expecting great things from my MP either, but if it's keeps the pressure on then I'm willing to give it a go.

Thats the spirit!
If I sort myself out perhaps we can say hi to each other when there, and maybe there'll be group pub after...😉

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/08/2024 20:21

Omlettes · 15/08/2024 20:18

Thats the spirit!
If I sort myself out perhaps we can say hi to each other when there, and maybe there'll be group pub after...😉

I might need the pub first, for a bit of Dutch courage. 😂

Omlettes · 15/08/2024 20:22

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/08/2024 20:21

I might need the pub first, for a bit of Dutch courage. 😂

That too, bring a hip flask 😂

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 15/08/2024 20:23

Omlettes · 15/08/2024 20:22

That too, bring a hip flask 😂

👍😂

YellowAsteroid · 16/08/2024 06:08

I think the Women's Rights Network has done a big call out on this as well. I shan't be in the country, but I hope all you 21st century suffragettes have a great day. Sorry I can't add my voice to the event.

BeechLeaves · 23/08/2024 19:37

I’m thinking of going if I can get the day off work and trains aren’t too expensive. Bit nervous tho, this is waaaay out my comfort zone.

CatusFlatus · 23/08/2024 19:39

I'm going 😊

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 23/08/2024 19:40

I’m going too, already in London though so not much travelling for me. I’m sure there will be pub afterwards.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/08/2024 19:52

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 23/08/2024 19:40

I’m going too, already in London though so not much travelling for me. I’m sure there will be pub afterwards.

Maybe they'll let us have a drink in one of the many subsidised bar's they have in Parliament. 😂

Keeptoiletssafe · 23/08/2024 21:06

The new government has said it will protect single-sex services for women, but it hasn’t said how.

The previous government said how - by making toilet cubicles very private and enclosed.

There is a school design document (Dec 23) that specially mentions privacy 4 times for secondary schools but neglects safety (not mentioned) and health (not mentioned). Likewise the toilet document T (May 2024) for almost all other non-domestic toilet blocks (shops, pubs, offices). Again, no mention of a toilet door gap top and bottom. All about enclosure and privacy. All the diagrams shown have enclosed cubicles with doors to the floor.

Although all documents also say that you should be able to open the door from outside and the door pull outwards in case of an emergency inside the cubicle. How will anyone know there’s an emergency?!

This is discrimination for disabled people who may have greater risk of collapse and not be seen in time for rescue such as those with epilepsy, diabetes, (asthma and other conditions too). It is discrimination against the elderly who are more frail and are more likely to fall and have strokes. It is dangerous for everyone who is likely to collapse due to a medical emergency - such as a brain injury/seizure brought on illness or drugs such as those in vapes.

This is discrimination against women and girls. Because they are more likely to have drinks spiked in public places and when people feel ‘off’ they go to the loo. It is also discrimination to women and girls as they are more likely to suffer sexual assaults. These assaults are more likely to take place where males can go undetected (in an enclosed cubicle) or in mixed sex toilets and then enter the private space a woman/girl is in and it not be witnessed.

So that’s how the government have ‘solved it’. It’s all about privacy.

Safety and health (more likely to catch a disease through concentrated air particles and dirtier less-cleanable cubicles) has been sacrificed for all. But particularly everyone who is more vulnerable.

The young person I saved ‘in the ladies’ - by realising immediately when I walked in she was on the floor inside the cubicle - would be dead. I saw her from the gap underneath the door and climbed over the top to get in.

I have written and spoken to civil servants in the old and new government, to the Health and Safety Executive and to the Department of Education. None of the 6 politicians I have sent details and statistics to has sent any form of reply. No one will take responsibility. Everyone has forgotten why gaps were under doors in the first place. There has been no mention on door gaps except for privacy on any recent government document. No mention that you need a degree of visibility for safety - though the HSE said that I made a strong argument (for reasons which they had not considered). There has been no risk assessment about losing the traditional toilet gap on people with protected characteristics.

The Department of Education say school governors have the responsibility if toilets aren’t safe. How are enclosed cubicles safe? There is at least one rape inside a school premises each school day. There are on average 9 students with epilepsy and 3 students with Type 1 diabetes. And there are the rare times children collapse for cardiac problems. Ironically, there is also a defibrillator in every secondary school so the government do know that there is a possibility children collapse and the importance of finding a child quickly. But they are telling schools to have enclosed toilets and shirking responsibility to governors when it goes wrong.

Door gaps save lives.
Door gaps prevent assaults.

BeechLeaves · 23/08/2024 22:30

Interesting about door gaps. I really hate completely enclosed doors in mixed sex toilets because I feel that someone could barge in as I was going in. And then no one would know because it’s an enclosed space.

do you have a source for the one tape a day in schools?

Keeptoiletssafe · 24/08/2024 00:46

BeechLeaves · 23/08/2024 22:30

Interesting about door gaps. I really hate completely enclosed doors in mixed sex toilets because I feel that someone could barge in as I was going in. And then no one would know because it’s an enclosed space.

do you have a source for the one tape a day in schools?

Yes. It was originally an investigation by the BBC in 2015. The link to the BBC article is this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-34138287 A school year is 190 days and the statistic was over 600 rapes inside school over a 3year period.

This investigation and sexual abuse in schools then was discussed in Parliament. The data, collected by the BBC, mentions an example occurring in a private cupboard. This was in 2015, before many schools decided to change their toilet designs to fully enclosed and mixed sex. Thereby creating more private spaces. There is no available data on these new toilet designs but, teachers and pupils are reporting many problems with drug dealing, dirt and sex.

'Drug dealing, drinking and dirt' The problems with school toilets in Wales

Pupils are taking drugs and drinking in "dangerous unhygienic" completely enclosed toilet cubicles, says a report by campaign group Merched Cymru

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/drug-dealing-drinking-dirt-problems-28517175

BeechLeaves · 24/08/2024 09:14

Thank you. That’s horrifying.

Omlettes · 25/08/2024 20:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/08/2024 19:52

Maybe they'll let us have a drink in one of the many subsidised bar's they have in Parliament. 😂

YES!

BeechLeaves · 27/08/2024 17:47

I’ve done it. Signed up! Written to MP, hopefully she’ll respond. See you all there.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/08/2024 09:44

BeechLeaves · 27/08/2024 17:47

I’ve done it. Signed up! Written to MP, hopefully she’ll respond. See you all there.

👍see you there, my MP still hasn't responded to my email yet, but I live in hope. 😁

BeechLeaves · 31/08/2024 08:54

Mine has said she won’t meet. Not sure what’ll happen next.

NotAnotherFeckingMuftiDay · 31/08/2024 11:47

Given his track record on this subject, it is unsurprising that I'm still waiting for a reply from my MP...

BeechLeaves · 31/08/2024 21:46

Ugh that’s annoying. At least I got a reply.

borntobequiet · 01/09/2024 10:17

I’ll be going, though my MP is pretty useless on this, not appearing to have a mind of her own on anything anyway.

BeechLeaves · 01/09/2024 18:21

I’ve been advised that it might not be worth attending if MP won’t meet. Coz I’ll just be hanging around. It’s about a 2 hour journey for me to London. But equally I’d love to meet some other women there. So not sure what to do yet. It’d be using up the very last of my annual leave for the year.