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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Crowdjustice and Mumsnet 😁

132 replies

lcakethereforeIam · 05/08/2024 11:18

This is the 3rd time I've tried to create this thread. So apologies if it's a glitch and they suddenly all show up.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/05/jk-rowling-bankrolls-legal-fight-workplace-gender-police/

https://archive.ph/1Y0Ll help you over the garden wall

The headline imo is a bit clickbaity misleading but, hopefully, it'll help some non-gardeners find the allotments.

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RoyalCorgi · 05/08/2024 11:23

Great to see this being highlighted in a national newspaper.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2024 11:36

Great article and good to see Mumsnetters recognised for our contributions!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/08/2024 11:41

Awesome! Thanks for sharing

murasaki · 05/08/2024 11:45

Very nice to see our horticultural efforts acknowledged and hopefully it will being new gardeners to the allotments.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/08/2024 13:12

Thank you. Another informative article from the Telegraph.

Christinapple · 05/08/2024 13:20

Not all cases result in a win though, and sometimes the person being donated and the money suddenly disappears off the face of the internet and Earth.

Allison Bailey lost twice against Stonewall, the court costs in total were an estimation of £1 which includes a significant amount of donation money.

Then the case of Marion Millar which began in 2021 I think. She received a lot in donations, at least tens of thousands are estimated. The donations were for a court case which to this day hasn't happened, and her defence was an MSP who wasn't charging anything. Marion also then shut down her twitter account she was using to communicate with the public about her case. So, dare one ask what became of everyone's money who donated to her?

From what I saw at the time all MM's crowdfunding attempts on various websites were eventually shut down for breaking the terms of service, I recall one of them saying they would donate to an LGBT-rights charity in response after finding out the context. That means some of the money that was donated to MM ended up going to a LGBT charity.

"Graham Linehan, co-writer of Father Ted, is caught up in a separate gender-critical discrimination case"

The article is being rather secretive about what's happening with GL. He is currently being sued by a homosexual man for libel, so far the judge has rejected GL's claims that he was just stating an opinion. I have a link if anyone's interested.

Christinapple · 05/08/2024 13:21

the court costs in total were an estimation of £1 which includes a significant amount of donation money.

whoops. £1 million, not £1!

Snowypeaks · 05/08/2024 13:37

Money well spent. 🤗

RantyMcRanterton · 05/08/2024 13:38

Thank you for the leaping link, great to read about this.

SilenceInside · 05/08/2024 13:39

Thanks for the link, how wonderful it is that women can choose what to spend their money on. Despite some people's clear disapproval that we have the choice!

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/08/2024 13:51

A lot of employers in GC cases are taxpayer funded so offline I refer to my gardening as "paying my GC tax". If these employers were doing anti-discrimination properly we wouldn't have to pay again to get these cases dragged to court and dealt with fairly for women.

And in case there is any doubt Allison Bailey significantly won her discrimination case against her own employer though not the part of the case (and it was only part) against Stonewall. It is true that her second case (appeal) against Stonewall failed. The first case was very much worthwhile for what it revealed about Stonewall. As well as clarifying the law, these legal cases allow claimants to present their GC view in public without immediately being shut down, and require the defendants to present their counter arguments in all their (ahem) glory. It's been worth a million or two to end #nodebate.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/08/2024 13:58

I hope the many women whose crowdfunders I have donated to used any left over funds for champagne and caviar, or their extravagant treat of choice. Money well spent

Iamiams · 05/08/2024 14:00

Nice to see mumsnetters recognised.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 05/08/2024 14:09

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 05/08/2024 13:58

I hope the many women whose crowdfunders I have donated to used any left over funds for champagne and caviar, or their extravagant treat of choice. Money well spent

I thought Crowdjustice didn't allow that? It only goes to pay legal fees, if the other side pay costs then the fund gets passed on to another case. So the only people who get champagne and caviar are the lawyers! (Well earned by some of them, to be fair.)

More seriously, there was a time when activists were able to stop GC cases from using some of the main crowdfunder sites. So it's good to know that women now have access to sites where the money has to be spent properly.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 05/08/2024 14:22

Elspeth Duemmer Wrigley, a government lawyer, raised £40,000 this year after she was sued for saying that only women can get periods. The case against her was later dropped.

Chambers said that, from a legal standpoint, there are concerns staff members are being punished at work for having views that do not chime with that of a company’s customers.
Worryingly, Chambers says the law can feel “almost secondary to the whims and wishes of the consumers”.
Celebrities and Mumsnetters have helped to spread the word.

Venture Capitalists price in a set number of failures when they're considering their spread of investments. Sometimes they state clearly that they're investing in a particular person and their future rather than a specific project or business proposal.

I am content with the outcome of my investment in Alan Bates and the cases with which FWR is familiar. I wish the successful outcomes didn't have such a wretched impact on the people at the heart of this.

Runor · 05/08/2024 14:25

Yes, a big thankyou to CrowdJustice for facilitating this, and huge respect for the (usually) women who are prepared to take these cases forward. It’s good that we have a route to get clarification & redress when employers break the law.

WallaceinAnderland · 05/08/2024 14:39

Haha I saw this and thought of all the little peas and carrots planted over the years. Every tiny contribution helps the garden grow.

Just a shame they didn't manage to get the phrase 'lady garden' into the article Grin

TWETMIRF · 05/08/2024 16:20

I think the money I donated towards Allison Bailey was well worth it to show that if you follow Stonewall's interpretation of the law rather than the actual law, they walk away scot free and leave you in the shit. Who would pay for advice from somewhere like that?

fromorbit · 05/08/2024 16:55

Article didn't even get into a bunch of other recent huge success from crowdfunded cases like Lizzy vs Cambridge Council or Allyson Bird vs Lib Dems, or Laura Favaro win vs her university. Gardens keep blooming.

Talking of gardening here is a great guide to lots of gardens that need support at the moment :
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5129682-end-of-july-gardening?reply=137138913

Meanwhile TAs have to rely on the fox botherer who spends money on barren wastelands

End of July gardening | Mumsnet

End of month list of gardens needing extra plants This time I am changing the order as some are less in immediate need than others. Pilgrim Tucker,...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5129682-end-of-july-gardening?reply=137138913

IwantToRetire · 05/08/2024 17:35

This is the 3rd time I've tried to create this thread.

Just curious. Are you saying MNHQ wouldn't let you use the article headline as the title to a thread?

And at the start the opening paragrapsh are just facts.

How Crowdfunder has helped raise money to pay legal costs.

Although a little mention of mumsnet could have been hinted at.

What was the issue.

The article is a factual report of a development of one (positive?) aspect of an increasingly online world.

Surely MNHQ doesn't censor news?

lcakethereforeIam · 05/08/2024 17:44

No @IwantToRetire I think it was either my incompetence or my elderly tablet. Sorry if I gave an incorrect impression. I was a little concerned I'd created multiple threads.

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ATowerOfGiraffes · 05/08/2024 17:55

“People’s generosity isn’t pure altruism,”
Agreed - we also get to watch/track the live streams of madness unfold

IwantToRetire · 05/08/2024 18:00

lcakethereforeIam · 05/08/2024 17:44

No @IwantToRetire I think it was either my incompetence or my elderly tablet. Sorry if I gave an incorrect impression. I was a little concerned I'd created multiple threads.

Thanks!

My head was in a spin as every now and again there are odd deletions.

Phew.

And thanks for the article link. Nice to see the power of mumsnet is being recognised more and more, rather than the online forum that asks what are your favourite biscuits (although a very important indication of the person replying!).

BettyFilous · 05/08/2024 18:06

ATowerOfGiraffes · 05/08/2024 17:55

“People’s generosity isn’t pure altruism,”
Agreed - we also get to watch/track the live streams of madness unfold

As the unions are all captured on this issue and can’t be relied on to support their women members (cf Kathleen Stock & UCU), CrowdJustice-funded employment tribunals are a more effective way to the right the ship. That’s my view anyway.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 05/08/2024 18:15

Mumsnetters: course correcting one 🥕 at a time

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