Should there be a DSD category at the Paralympics?

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I think it would be a great idea to have a DSD category, but I lack the knowledge to really assess whether it would be a good idea and what the merits and pitfalls might be. What do the wise women of FWR think?

So you don’t have links to this evidence? Even though the logic and past statistics would indicate that there is some advantage?

What is the relevance of whether they are on a podium or not?

So the medical testing in that report that was from the group convincing the IOC that I just posted is false then?

7 competitors at the 1996 Olympics did not have CAIS? That would be remarkable if it is true.

how many trans women are competing in the Olympics this year?

So you are saying that this entire situation with the IOC has been based on flawed information from a group of specialists writing the report.

That is remarkable.

Did Carole Hooven contact the authors to have that paper pulled? Because surely that paper is now false in its findings.

You're being very selective about the dsd CAIS. I'm going to assume it means something to you personally, especially as you've been incredibly heavy handed with the "poor little girl" narrative all afternoon.

May I ask you to remember that there are other dsd conditions, and that athletes with them have already mounted podiums at various Olympics in gold, silver and bronze positions in various female events.

This isn't about you.

As I understand it, everyone is either male or female. A person with a DSD is still either male or female. It's just that physical observation might lead to a different conclusion, i. e looks female but is actually male. We now have more accurate ways of determining sex. So, people take part in sports according to their sex, not as they present.

Genuinely no idea. The 2 in boxing don't claim trans identities, but reports state they are XY individuals. I presume that means dsd conditions. Laurel Hubbard (trans) hoofed a woman out of power lifting last Olympics, but I doubt Hubbard is in Paris this time due to age.

there aren’t any trans women competing in this Olympics these two have DSD. so not sure why you brought trans women into a discussion about DSD?

Again, has the paper therefore been pulled for false information? Because the IOC used it to withdraw the need for sex testing. That would be egregious to allow it to remain as an available paper.

Either way, if it is found that in the future males with correctly diagnosed CAIS are found to have an advantage, do you agree that the female category should be protected?

I'm not sure why you find the sentence I constructed so hard to understand. Read it again.

What are the views expressed today?

That male athletes, even those with medical conditions, that are found to have physical advantages over female athletes should not compete in female sports categories? What other male athletes with conditions that they are fearful of being stigmatized for having should be allowed to compete in a protected group’s event if they don’t qualify for it?

So, if there is no specific test you can make and they are prone to injury as you have stated, even more reason to have a category that has specific parameters that fits their condition and provides them with protection.

You're very emotional about it, I can see that. I'm glad they have your support.

Again, do you understand that there are other dsd conditions, beyond CAIS, and that those with them have already displaced females in female sports. Can you perhaps consider if your emotional connection to your clients/patients may be clouding your judgement regarding these?

What other groups of people should be allowed to compete in a protected category based on emotional response to being excluded due to having a proven physical advantage meaning they should not be competing in that category?