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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Poster at the GP surgery

202 replies

FondOfOwls · 21/07/2024 09:46

I recently went to register at a new GP surgery, due to moving house.
Then, upon leaving I noticed a huge, hand made poster stating 'Woman? Transman? Non binary?? Get your cervix checked'.
In general I don't mind this phrase when called for a smear, but it made me feel very uncomfortable-I have a DD6 who would no doubt question it if she noticed it.
I think I'd just tell her it's still women and rather tell her what cervix is, but AIBU to feel it is not appropriate? I'd also worry someone could challenge me if they heard me saying that to my DD.
Receptionist sporting a rainbow lanyard of course.
Feeling a bit disheartened as I spent HOURS filling in the paperwork for them, and the next nearest surgery is not very good and not very close.

OP posts:
theilltemperedclavecinist · 21/07/2024 15:24

Wistfullythinking · 21/07/2024 15:19

I imagine a woman who has had a full hysterectomy will know if she hasn't got a cervix and therefore won't need a smear.
I wonder how accessible a cervix is, if a phalloplasty has been done whilst leaving the uterus in place.
Complicated indeed!

Maybe only applicable to vaginal-preserving phalloplasty?

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Owl55 · 21/07/2024 15:27

Pathetic from the surgery ! Only women have a cervix , it’s all going too far and ridiculous I’m afraid .

Wistfullythinking · 21/07/2024 15:27

LoremIpsumCici · 21/07/2024 15:20

I think the poster is good!
They sadly need to do this because some young adults truly believed that transitioning meant changing your sex. Yes! There have been trans teen boys suprised to get pregnant. There are transmen who have no idea that they still have a cervix and transwomen who think they do.

This poster tells the whole world that women, transmen and female nonbinary are all of the female sex. The poster shows in a medical setting that NO you can’t change your SEX. It is real. It is fact.

The bigger the better so kids can grasp this reality too imho,

Definitely. The internet tells a very skewed story to vulnerable young people

FondOfOwls · 21/07/2024 15:28

Sleepersausage · 21/07/2024 15:16

I have a nearly six year old and if she asked me what it meant I would just tell her? What is the issue, what part of that might she be corrupted by?

if I tell her 'these are all females, even if they don't like to be named this', won't it make her think non-binaries are female? What about male non binaries?

I can tell her 'it's all made up darling, it's just women', risking someone in the waiting area jumping at my throat, shouting I don't believe they exist :/

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LoremIpsumCici · 21/07/2024 15:31

Beeinalily · 21/07/2024 10:22

It's not okay, it's nonsensical virtue signalling. Why not just say "Have your cervix checked"? My doctor's surgery isn't perfect, but I'm grateful that the posters there are for wellness walks and luncheon clubs!

Because too many people have no idea what a cervix is.

There was a transwoman that literally filed a formal complaint for not being invited for their smear test. It wasn’t until they went to get legal advice that they started realise to the GP surgery wasn’t transphobically denying them healthcare.

The ignorance on female anatomy and medical stuff isn’t just from males.

Another woman posted she was getting a transvaginal scan to check for cancer and wanted a handhold and another woman honestly thought that “Transvaginal” meant the woman was a transwoman and posted a rant about how the woman was a man who was taking away healthcare from women with real vaginas.

These posters are necessary for people who for whatever reason have never learned human biology.

LoremIpsumCici · 21/07/2024 15:32

theilltemperedclavecinist · 21/07/2024 15:24

Maybe only applicable to vaginal-preserving phalloplasty?

https://queerdoc.com/vpp/

Yeah this is for transmen who may want to get pregnant one day.

haveatye · 21/07/2024 15:35

Wouldn't bother me. Kids see awkward things. 'fuck the tories' graffiti on our school route provokes a daily conversation ;)

Changeforachange · 21/07/2024 15:35

LoremIpsumCici · 21/07/2024 15:22

I think that just means they can’t do both surgeries in one session. Afaik, you have to have a hysterectomy months before a phalloplasty.

Imagine my surprise that transmen will sometimes (appears to be less traumatic) keep their vagina & uterus while undergoing a phalloplasty.

You can't change sex.
You CAN get extreme aesthetic surgery.
You can end up with a mishmash of genitalia.
I cannot see why this is pushed before therapy.

LoremIpsumCici · 21/07/2024 15:37

FondOfOwls · 21/07/2024 15:28

if I tell her 'these are all females, even if they don't like to be named this', won't it make her think non-binaries are female? What about male non binaries?

I can tell her 'it's all made up darling, it's just women', risking someone in the waiting area jumping at my throat, shouting I don't believe they exist :/

I don’t know anyone that likes to be called females because that language is for animals.

I’d say that there is male and female which we are born as and within each you have regular, trans and nonbinary which are affinities or identities that each person decides for themself.

Identity is always all made up anyway so that isn’t a bad thing. It is the product of our preferences our personality our likes and dislikes, our life experiences, and the influence of family, friends and society.

nietzscheanvibe · 21/07/2024 15:41

Spinet · 21/07/2024 11:17

I actually think it's quite a gender critical poster. You can't outrun your cervix basically.

I agree with this.

In fact, it may be a very GC poster (try reading it in a slightly sarcastic tone - I'm surprised the TRAs aren't furious 😉)

quantumbutterfly · 21/07/2024 15:45

To paraphrase a book I read - if the case is too heavy for a child to carry, then the adult should carry it for them
As far as the poster is concerned..anatomy is interesting, illness & medical procedures might be frightening ( you know your child's imagination better than me), gender ideology is unnecessarily confusing - even for adults.

By the age of 8 my children were being told gender and sex were not the same, it caused some confusion. That was 10 years ago, the ideology is firmly entrenched now, be warned.

OneSugar1 · 21/07/2024 15:58

I think this is quite a good poster. It’s referring me how I want to be referred to - a woman (rather than cervix haver or cis-woman). It probably is necessary to have those other terms on there unfortunately due to the conflation of sex and gender over the past decade.

as a definition of women who shoukd have shears it probably doesn’t stand up to scrutiny (eg not all women need smears, ‘non binary’ men won’t need smears) but getting in the fine print on a poster would defeat the purpose of it being a short eye catching message.

I can understand your dilemma with your daughters questions. I would use this as an opportunity to clarify things asap though because she’s going to be hit with a lot of confusing messages at school so the sooner you help her understand material reality the better prepared she’ll be to navigate all of that.

OneSugar1 · 21/07/2024 15:59

Typos 🙄

quantumbutterfly · 21/07/2024 16:01

Thank god, I thought I'd missed my shear test.😁

BobbyBiscuits · 21/07/2024 16:01

I still don't see the fuss. If my kid pointed to the poster and said what's that etc' I'd say 'it's some medical information for grown ups/adult women'
Then change the subject.
There's nothing wrong with encouraging transmen to get their cervix checked. It's a health issue. Nobody wants cancer?

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:01

Brainworm · 21/07/2024 10:47

Lots of my colleagues wear rainbow lanyards. They do this as they think it's an opportunity to signal to all minority groups that they treat all people with dignity and respect. Some of them are GC.

They think it's a shame that people think that someone wearing a rainbow lanyard is someone they don't feel can be trusted. I don't wear a rainbow lanyard but would hate to think that someone thinks this means I can't be trusted.

My view is that everyone needs to avoid jumping to conclusions about others due to the type of lanyard they wear!

They do this as they think it's an opportunity to signal to all minority groups that they treat all people with dignity and respect.

Professionalism should be a given. I recall a conversation I had with a line manager several years ago about lanyards and I said "I already have a lanyard that means that I will treat everyone with dignity, it says <name of department> on it".

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:04

yetanotherusernameAgain · 21/07/2024 10:50

So you're concerned about publicly explaining to a 6 year old what transman and non-binary mean, but have no qualms about publicly explaining a cervix?

I'm not surprised that the OP is more comfortable explaining facts than explaining someone else's belief.

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:07

cupcaske123 · 21/07/2024 11:21

I imagine that if a man walked up to reception and said do I need to have my cervix checked, the receptionist would say, you don't have one, so no.

Isn't it rather transphobic to call non-binary people with male biology "men"?

cupcaske123 · 21/07/2024 16:13

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:07

Isn't it rather transphobic to call non-binary people with male biology "men"?

Tying yourself up in knots with language there. Get the post deleted if it's literal violence.

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:14

cupcaske123 · 21/07/2024 13:58

By using their eyes. I can easily differentiate a man from a woman, most people can.

I've been called transphobic for saying exactly that.

smallmountainbear · 21/07/2024 16:15

I think gender ideology is pernicious bollocks but I have no problems blemish with that sign.

It’s important women get a smear test and are communicated with in a way that engages them. People who identify as trans man are women and have cervixes so it’s appropriate to have messaging targeting them.

cupcaske123 · 21/07/2024 16:15

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:14

I've been called transphobic for saying exactly that.

Have you.

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:16

cupcaske123 · 21/07/2024 16:13

Tying yourself up in knots with language there. Get the post deleted if it's literal violence.

I'm pointing out the double standards I see where True Believers get to misgender every now and then but a GC person gets monstered or punished for using correctly-sexed pronouns.

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:19

cupcaske123 · 21/07/2024 16:15

Have you.

Yes. Apparently, it's a transphobic argument called the "Toupée Fallacy" to claim that most people can judge sex accurately on sight and hence a lot of trans people don't pass as well as they think they do because people aren't thinking "that person is female" but are thinking "that person is male" but politeness or fear prevents them from mentioning it.

MaidOfAle · 21/07/2024 16:25

quantumbutterfly · 21/07/2024 14:53

Most men? Or all men?
Are there men who think they have a cervix?

Btw can you tell the difference between a NB man and a trans man?

The pp who suggested 'born female, get your cervix checked ' (assuming you have a basic biological vocab and understanding of English) is my favourite suggestion.

assuming you have a basic biological vocab and understanding of English

Don't assume that. Children aren't supposed to translate for their migrant, not-yet-learned-English mothers in medical settings, but in practice it happens.

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