Susie Green (former Mermaids CEO) sets up clinic to bypass ban on puberty blockers for children

[zibzibara]

https://inews.co.uk/news/mermaids-ceo-clinic-avoid-ban-puberty-blockers-children-3179213

The main route is enabled by a simple, glaring omission in the legislation: the government could have banned the importation of puberty blockers but did not.

Green told i she sought legal advice from David Lock KC, one of the lawyers challenging the ban in the high court, and prior to that had contacted Jolyon Maugham, a KC, and a campaigner for trans rights. He is the director of the Good Law Project, which is supporting the high court case.

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Green, using this advice, established a route by which she believes her clinic can help provide puberty blockers to under-18s. First, Anne Health is hiring clinicians – nurses, doctors, and endocrinologists – who are not based in the UK (even though the company is) which means their specialist doctors in the European Economic Area are free to write prescriptions and “are regulated by their own medical bodies outside of the UK”.

Then, once prescribed, because the ban relates to England, Wales and Scotland but not Northern Ireland, the prescriptions will be sent to alternative addresses in Northern Ireland, from where patients from mainland Britain can collect them. “We’ve got a network of Northern Ireland families who are willing to take receipt of medication sent to them,” said Green. “The families just need to go over there and the kids need to get the medication and if they bring it back it exploits this legal loophole.”

There are alot of things that I originalyl thought 'No X will do that'.

Turns out, they did.

Susie has done a podcast which is very revealing. It includes her stating that she left GGP as she saw that patients were potentially being "seriously, significantly harmed" due to poor procedures and no clinical oversight.

whatthetrans.com/category/pods/

Hilariously hypocritical, considering Susie G’s plan to import puberty blockers via non- HCPs resident in Northern Ireland will be without any of the safeguards that the NHS (supposedly) employed (eg bone density scans).

She doesn't like being told 'no', does she??

I can't imagine what it would take for her to accept that she might actually be wrong about this.
I don't think such a silver bullet exists.

The evidence is stacking up that reasonability, facts, discussion, just cannot penetrate this political ideology in some cases.

It is unfortunately evidence that needs collating for the government to learn how to deal with it.

When the English ban came in Robin Swann said it would apply in NI - wonder what changed? Also I noticed that the Department of Health for NI was one of the parties to the legal challenge that failed this week, so perhaps they're still considering bringing a permanent ban in.

@NImumconfused I remember Swann announcing a ban in and around March-April. I read about it in the newspapers and I remember some SF, Alliance, Green, and SDLP MLAs (and some NGOs) denouncing him for it. So I thought it was a done deal and now I’m not sure what’s going on.

I think Stormont or the Dept of Health need to address this and the Susie Green issue urgently.

Is this so she can claim she's responsible and she would never harm anyone because she knows better than anyone?

This is the same Susie Green who was referring direct to the Tavistock, right?

And took her child to the US and Thailand when still under 18?

Cos the idea that Susie Green has any concept of harm is beyond appalling. This is gender-harm-washing.

I’ve been listening to that podcast to try and work out what I’m not understanding about gender. It hadn’t helped. It is just the same script as Twitter but with added audio of giggling and indignant males.

Susie Green is an IT person who has somehow become the only person to save all the trans ID people in the U.K.

the people on the podcast criticised gender GP for not having anyone trans ID in it and for running on nepotism. Yet they are cheering on Susie - who is not trans and whose son worked for Mermaids. Hmmm.

I've said it before but there are some key figures within the movement who have this weird god complex where only they understand.... Given the parallels with cults, its worth noting this in the absence of a singular cult leader.

Important Labour government has just confirmed ban on overseas prescriptions would apply:

In support of the ban on overseas prescriptions – which was upheld by a high court judge today following a legal challenge – Ms Smyth said it would not be practical to expect UK pharmacists to police the issue, commenting: “It is simply not possible for pharmacists to check whether prescriptions issued from overseas registered prescribers have been issued in a similarly safe and effective way.
“We know that some overseas providers who advertise their services do not follow this approach.”

https://www.pharmacymagazine.co.uk/nhs-and-health-news/labour-simply-not-possible-for-pharmacists-to-police-puberty-blocker-prescriptions

Implications for Green there.

If Labour want to cite "impossible for pharmacists to police' to ward off the trans loons then I'll take that. I like that the minister reaffirms their commitment to implementing Cass.

Am I right in thinking that the Good Laugh Project and "TransActual" have shot themselves in the foot by going to court with the courts now confirming that the ban is legal?

that would be my take too. They went for a judicial review expecting agreement with their position-i.e. this is dreadful and must be reversed. Unfortunately for them, the reverse applies. I also suppose (assuming his civil service didn't block everything-moot point) that Wes stressing got a crash course in TRA batshittery, which will definitely help in the future.

It helps that there's a wide range of people challenging this now. Not just women and frantic parents but professionals, all the wonderful women's organisations, men including gay men and of course the press exposing all the madness.
And yes - the trans extremists don't seem to have an off switch 🙄

no, they certainly dont. If you ever needed to convince an agnostic about the sheer volume of complete nutters who believe patent, demonstrable nonsense, then five minutes on twitter will open there eyes wide. Absolutely barking, some of them.

GLP is the biggest supporter of Operation Let Them Speak that exists. They have raised about £500,000 to fight a bunch of gender cases over last few years and they lost every case or didn't even get to court in some of them. So a lot of TA money spent which actually supported our side.

They are really bad lawyers who make badly designed cases. They not only strengthened the power of the Cass Report, pushed Streeting further away, but confirmed the legitimacy of LGB alliance. Every case they lose strengthens our hand because case law means GLP losing provides us useful precedents. [They also are making TAs a big of a joke in the legal profession, because they keep losing. Very helpful.] Especially as where as the TAs have Jolyon [a tax lawyer who specialised in making money] we have a lot of excellent lawyers who are specialists in equalities law who take advantage of all the weaknesses in cases that the GLP put out.

There is a big contrast with the States where it seems the TAs have some pretty capable lawyers on side. The TAs here have the fox killer who is hopeless, his real skills are at grifting money. The grifting won't end hopefully JM will try another case which will backfire. Maybe he could sue the BBC for saying women are real every so often we could do with some help in getting them to listen.

Looks like the NI loophole is going to remain open for the foreseeable future - there's no way they'll get agreement from the whole Assembly on this unfortunately.

Urgh!

TBF Susie Green’s back door puberty
blocker plan seems expensive, time consuming and impractical enough that it will only be used by a handful of really keen parents and they are the ones who would’ve done a Susie and gone to Norman Spack.

I suspect many early child transitioners will not have regret as such, as, having never experienced life as a sexually mature adult, they have no understanding of what has been taken from them.

They have been taught to believe that their transition was necessary from a very young age. Given the effects of blocking puberty on brain development, they may be less intellectually able to challenge this belief.

What a terrible thing to do to mentally unwell children. Makes me rage and weep in equal measure.

Jacqui lives in Italy, I think?

quite a long way from Mum.

I am trying to get my head round any mother deliberately reducing her child's cognitive abilities. I cannot get my head round it at all. It screams of an adult, parent, having huge mental health problems of their own. I really do believe that these people should not have been allowed to do this to their children and that social services have failed these children, by not intervening. I also believe that the parents should have been assessed by mental health services.

Susie has said that her enterprise is not for profit so she will plough back all revenue over operating costs into funding less affluent children/parents.

She is also expecting funds to be raised by a You Tube supporter, the one that gave GenderGP £50k

Susie believes all children have a right to 'affirming healthcare' so will not exclude those who do not have middle class parents.

With her father maybe?