Susie Green (former Mermaids CEO) sets up clinic to bypass ban on puberty blockers for children

[zibzibara]

https://inews.co.uk/news/mermaids-ceo-clinic-avoid-ban-puberty-blockers-children-3179213

The main route is enabled by a simple, glaring omission in the legislation: the government could have banned the importation of puberty blockers but did not.

Green told i she sought legal advice from David Lock KC, one of the lawyers challenging the ban in the high court, and prior to that had contacted Jolyon Maugham, a KC, and a campaigner for trans rights. He is the director of the Good Law Project, which is supporting the high court case.

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Green, using this advice, established a route by which she believes her clinic can help provide puberty blockers to under-18s. First, Anne Health is hiring clinicians – nurses, doctors, and endocrinologists – who are not based in the UK (even though the company is) which means their specialist doctors in the European Economic Area are free to write prescriptions and “are regulated by their own medical bodies outside of the UK”.

Then, once prescribed, because the ban relates to England, Wales and Scotland but not Northern Ireland, the prescriptions will be sent to alternative addresses in Northern Ireland, from where patients from mainland Britain can collect them. “We’ve got a network of Northern Ireland families who are willing to take receipt of medication sent to them,” said Green. “The families just need to go over there and the kids need to get the medication and if they bring it back it exploits this legal loophole.”

Thank you for this. This is the kind of thing I was thinking. The whole circumvention schtick just seems like a new way to take money. Regardless of whether it works.

I have lots of questions, the main ones being:

• Do we know what went wrong that led to SG's role at Gender GP being so short lived?

• Do we know that Jacqui Green has transition regret?

There is lots of speculation that SG needs to convince herself that transition was right for Jacqui when it wasn't. But, if Jacqui feels happy with the choice and their life- why would this be so?

Of course, even if Jacqui is happy, this still doesn't mean that Susie should be doing what she is doing!

Hilary Cass made it clear that physical transition does appear to have been the right treatment for a very small number of adults. The issue is, we don't know how to spot this group from the vast majority for whom it isn't the best option.

Green is ignoring this, but it could be down to Jacqui being happy of therefore wrongly assuming this applies to all.

Adults being happy with their "transition " has absolutely no bearing, either evidential or philosophically, on the use of puberty blockers in prepubescent children. I'm not sure why anyone would conflate the two.

If you are a parent who legally or illegal facilitated PB and then your child went on to take cross sex hormones and live a happy life, you are likely to process the ban on blockers differently to a parent whose child has done the same and had regret.

How is this different to what Susie Green did and yet shes not in prison...

The school guidelines teach about FGM and that it is against the law. Unless they start treating this as a form Child Genital Mutilation by medication and teach that it is against the law too, then that is pure racism.

Breast binding too. Also needs to be illegal.

I am not an expert in NI law (absolutely not!) but my understanding is that the much debated agreement has the province effectively floating in between the EU/ROI and Britain for customs purposes. With an underlying requirement that goods exported to NI from either source are not then to be reexported. In short that NI is not to be used as a staging post to bypass UK/EU customs.

Susie Green’s proposals sound dodgy at best.

There urgently needs to be a national inquiry into how things got as bad as they did.

Nothing will stop them trying to exploit loopholes.

The harm to children is immeasurable; the analogies to fgm are increasing as these people try to ship children abroad to be medicated and operated on

I agree @WarriorN. But it felt like SSA and James Esses were lone voices when we had the best chance we had, immediately post-Cass. None of the other groups back them.

The ban applied to prescribers in the EEA and Switzerland, not just the UK. So the prescribers would have to be in other countries.

Then, I assume, the prescriptions must be filled in these other countries and the drugs posted to NI, where these families will take receipt of them and no doubt just post them onwards to addresses in Great Britain. Although I understand the pretence is that they will be collected in person.

Because no pharmacy in NI is going to dispense a prescription for puberty blockers written by a prescriber in a third country for a child who lives in Great Britain.

@ResisterOfTwaddleRex no one actually understands safeguarding.

We had the Savile inquiry and still safeguarding failures occur despite recommendations being embedded in regulations and practice.

If we had a public inquiry into how we ended up in a situation whereby children were being physically harmed in the name of healthcare with no evidence base, driven only by ideology and the projection of adults, it would go some way to ensuring safety for some children.

It would enable the authorities to take measures to protect those who are trying to fly under the radar.

Savile was one individual though. Thousands are culpable here and therein lies the issue.

We're in agreement @WarriorN. It's an all round safeguarding failure. And key parts of the framework like the NSPCC and children's commissioner, also either failed or were an active part of the problem.

But I'm at the conclusion that publicly uncovering the extent of the problem is totally undesirable all round. Left, right, state, third sector, state school, private school.

No one wants to pull at the threads because their people will be implicated. Of course, this mindset goes right against safeguarding and the problem becomes ever more embedded. The Forstater ruling that we can say things has unfortunately served to strengthen this. What is the point of being able to say something if your organisation simply shrugs its shoulders, carries on letting men ID as women, and you get investigated as a cherry on top??

Personally I think it will only be an Andrew Norfolk, or expenses style scandal brought to the public's unavoidable attention by the fourth estate that will even start to expose the depth, breadth and scale of the failures of welcoming gender ideology into our public and private institutions.

Sadly I agree.

The emergency ban doesn't apply to Northern Ireland. So the prescriber for patients in NI could be in the EU.

It's not clear if the medication is to be sent to addresses in NI, to be collected by the patients who live in GB, or if the prescriptions are to be sent to a NI address, with the pretence that the GB patient actually lives there.

Jesus Christ, she’s like the fucking Babadook, isn’t she? Just when you think she’s fucked off, up she pops, secateurs in one hand and a big fat book of pink and blue bullshit in the other.

Will she ever just fuck off and stay fucked off?

My thought too @LunaNorth

It's not clear if the medication is to be sent to addresses in NI, to be collected by the patients who live in GB, or if the prescriptions are to be sent to a NI address, with the pretence that the GB patient actually lives there

So they will get a doctor based In eg Gibraltar/ India /Ghana to see a child and their parent ( presumably online ) and post the prescription to NI. Then they hope that a NI based pharmacist will dispense it for a child who lives in GB, who is not registered with a GP in NI.

That’s not going to work with any reputable and conscientious pharmacist, they would be risking their registration .

it wouldn’t make any difference if it was the patient and their parent collecting the meds or a third party . They would want to check with the patients GP in GB.

These are good questions. I hope someone can answer them.

I have not seen anything that suggests Jacqui has transition regret. I think it's most likely that Susie Green is a true believer and that she has what she believes to be her child's best interests at heart.

The main threat to Jacqui's future happiness would be if medical and surgical transitions suffered a huge drop in popularity. More people undertaking medical and surgical transition = medicated/surgically altered bodies being normalised, easier access to medical specialists and more research into treatments. If this turns out to be a passing phase those specialisms will soon be lost and people with bodies like Jacqui's will become social and medical oddities.

Indeed. The level of culpability at the top of government / institutions has been massive. It's why transactivists started at the top, the law, police, armed forces etc - influencing and silencing with their "TWAW #nodebate".
None of these people are going to admit to having fallen for the conspiracy theory that sex change is possible.

I'm pleased to see that the "safeguarding children is a bigoted right wing trope" is getting much more open opposition with the dodgy adults pushing this narrative repeatedly being challenged.

Exactly this.

It's been discussed here many times, the findings that come out of serious case reviews and the government's own papers looking into why safeguarding policy and procedure being on paper, being in the training, being the way people are supposed to work, still doesn't translate effectively to actual practice.

The linked issues that come up again and again include authorities and professionals becoming preoccupied with the adults involved and in meeting their numerous needs, managing their behaviour and being anxious about potentially upsetting them or being seen to be insufficiently sensitive towards them and their special needs, being effectively groomed by manipulative or needy adults, and losing sight of the child as the focus of their work and the one who should be protected.

A worldwide scandal so big and so horrifying that it can't break. It also can't not break.

If blocking puberty with drugs also prevents proper brain maturation, then you essentially have a person who is the age of an adult but thinks like a child.

So even if someone seems to be ‘happy’ arrested in a Peter Pan state, it’s not really a test as to whether this was the right course of action, it isn’t in line with their human dignity.

People can be chemically altered to be happy using all sorts of drugs. This is a very extreme, severe and non-reversible method.

Despicable

Illegal

Immoral

A perfect summary.

The Green situation genuinely gives me chills. It's like, you've done something horrific and unforgiveable and the only way you can stop sinking into a morass of guilt and fear is to work frenetically to get other people to do the horrific thing.

It's a moral situation of Dostoeviskyan proportions.

Goddess knows I've made some mistakes as a parent in my life but honestly, honestly I feel weak with relief that I'm not Susie Green.