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Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?

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CantDealwithChristmas · 17/07/2024 12:46

Jolyon 'fox killer' Maugham has been on one for 6 days straight now. It all started with Streeting's PBs ban and ratcheted up when JoMo sent Streeting a list of 25 questions which Streeting ignored - and on a Sunday too. As of yesterday JoMo, a KC (though Guido Fawkes reported his licence expired in May), was encouraging people to break the law by accessing banned PB drugs from abroad. As of today he has well and truly jumped the shark with the below, horrible post on X.

My question to this board is why do TRAs feel the need to ratchet up the emotional temperature of the debate so high? Why do they so quickly devolve the conversation to death and suicide? It's an ugly strain that runs right through all TRA talking points. I personally think TRA is an eschatological cult and the focus on death is a intrinsic part of that. Others may think it's all about emotional blackmail.

Either way, please use this thread to discuss JoMo, Streeting's unaccounably cruel ignoring of him, and TRA emotional hysteria / threats in general at this crucial time just after the PB ban was announced.

EDIT - could not upload the screenshot of JoMo's post but it reads as follows:

"And don't underestimate the political tail of Wes Streeting's decision. His colleagues will slowly be coming to terms with him locking them into a future of bereaved parents tipping ashes outside Number 10 and a revival of mass die-ins wherever they go."

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GailBlancheViola · 19/07/2024 18:04

Anyone who doesn't see or attempts to downplay or excuse the appalling abuse inflicted on Jazz Jennings is not someone who is worth listening to about anything.

What has been done to that child is profoundly disgraceful.

GailBlancheViola · 19/07/2024 18:13

Swamphag · 19/07/2024 17:56

"No hints - fucking furious rage at evident child abuse"

Well said👏👏👏
I can't wait for those who have allowed vulnerable fucking children to be harmed in this way are made to face up to the damage they've caused to confused kids they should have been protecting. It cannot come soon enough.

They should be staring at the four grey walls of a prison cell for a very long time.

GailBlancheViola · 19/07/2024 18:17

Worth posting the summary as it's powerful:

That is indeed very powerful and finally it is being said and said clearly and unequivocally.

It should stop JM and his cronies like Susie Green but it won't which tells you all you need to know about them and their morals.

Dumbo12 · 19/07/2024 18:18

Anyone who believes that a prepubescent child can understand loss of sexual function, either doesn't understand anything about child development, or has contact with children who have been sexually abused.

Winterborne74 · 19/07/2024 20:14

Monumentally and predictably self aggrandising and self pitying response from Maugham
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1814364410720219323

Attached is a screenshot of a snippet for a flavour for the blocked. We overuse the word unhinged, but I don’t have anything better. His friends need to have a word.

Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?
littlbrowndog · 19/07/2024 20:17

He has gone totally bonkers. He should not weaponise suicide

what is wrong with that very rich privileged man.

does he want to actually lay ashes where ?

Hepwo · 19/07/2024 20:23

Fascinating. He thinks he's facing down Putin by talking nonsense online. If he got face to face with Putin he'd shit his pants.

Omlettes · 19/07/2024 20:28

The man is a crass social climbing histronic wannabee.
I confess to giving him money during Brexit but became increasingly suspicious as to the use of funds.
I wish others would.
Who remembers the Lincoln Project, Repubs against Trump?
They swindled millions off the public in return for a handful of videos that cost little to make and made no difference whatsoever to the outcome.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/07/2024 20:30

Why he bothers saying he's "tweeting in a personal capacity" I don't know, he's a full time extremist gender ideologue now, isn't he?

CocoapuffPuff · 19/07/2024 20:32
Shrek Donkey GIF

That's a man melting down before our eyes. I actually hope he gets some help with his mental state, he's definitely a donkey on the edge.

eatfigs · 19/07/2024 20:44

I read his tweets imagining him looming over, fury in his eyes and a red rage in his cheeks, shouting each word while flecks of spittle angrily shoot out from his gob. He smells of expensive-looking cheap whiskey. His wife stands in the background shaking her head sadly.

Mmmnotsure · 19/07/2024 20:47

Here are the 33 tweets. He sees himself as facing down the Trumps, Putins, Rothermeres et al. He has a way to go to match Martin Luther's Articles, but give him time:

web.archive.org/web/20240719193437/threadreaderapp.com/thread/1814364410720219323.html

Omlettes · 19/07/2024 20:52

DayOutInRome · 19/07/2024 20:27

Oh look! Nicely timed …

Lawyers accused of ‘dangerous and false’ trans suicide claims.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/aff73b8a-7935-4c5d-a347-33b8595585c7?shareToken=8113eea89fd38c2513551e64a6f4ab26

Email to glp
'Dear GLP
I am very concerned to see Jolyon Maughams alarmist and factually incorrect tweets about suicide attempts. It is irressponsible and dangerous and against all protocols on suicide prevention.
Fortunately this has now been publicly discredited
www.thetimes.com/article/aff73b8a-7935-4c5d-a347-33b8595585c7?shareToken=8113eea89fd38c2513551e64a6f4ab26

Omlettes · 19/07/2024 20:57

CantDealwithChristmas · 19/07/2024 16:44

I hope he takes extra note of this bit:

"Then there is the insensitivity of the “dead child” rhetoric. Suicide should not be a slogan or a means to winning an argument. To the families of 200 teenagers a year in England, it is devastating and all too real."

I sent an email to them with the link just in case... 😎

Citrusandginger · 19/07/2024 22:06

From the article

Jo Maugham, executive director of the Good Law Project, said: “I was not contacted in advance of the statement being released and will obviously need time to respond. I do have difficulties with the figures and analysis and will respond in due course.

Darn those drafted figures. With their evidence base and everything.

Catsmere · 19/07/2024 22:28

CantDealwithChristmas · 19/07/2024 13:50

No. Just threatened.

She also said that she would throttle Jazz 'if that thing closes up'

Edited

Thanks, I'm glad (if that's the word) she didn't actually do it herself.

SidewaysOtter · 19/07/2024 22:30

“Wicked ideologue”

Can he hear himself?

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 19/07/2024 22:31

Winterborne74 · 19/07/2024 16:36

And the fact that men who get gender euphoria from dressing as females and being in female spaces were ever allowed, indeed encouraged, to be in the same internet chatrooms and fora to help crack the eggs of body dysmorphic teens (as they were on the Mermaids site and on Discord, for example) is a massive safeguarding red flag in itself.

It’s truly the stuff of nightmares.

Joshua Moon (of all people!) says that Discord is a cess pit.

Catsmere · 19/07/2024 22:43

SidewaysOtter · 19/07/2024 22:30

“Wicked ideologue”

Can he hear himself?

Exactly - "protect the most targeted and vulnerable in the country from wicked ideologues" coming from him is classic DARVO.

FannyCann · 19/07/2024 22:54

Citrusandginger · 19/07/2024 22:06

From the article

Jo Maugham, executive director of the Good Law Project, said: “I was not contacted in advance of the statement being released and will obviously need time to respond. I do have difficulties with the figures and analysis and will respond in due course.

Darn those drafted figures. With their evidence base and everything.

Is he saying he's not very good with figures? What with being a tax lawyer and that?

SidewaysOtter · 19/07/2024 23:08

FannyCann · 19/07/2024 22:54

Is he saying he's not very good with figures? What with being a tax lawyer and that?

Perhaps he just identified as a tax lawyer 😉

Mollyollydolly · 19/07/2024 23:59

Thirty fucking three?

Jolyon jumps the shark - is trans a cult?
NonHypotheticalLurkingParent · 20/07/2024 00:29

The Tavistock made him say it.

What a fucking imbecile. The DHSC report specifically says that due to the low numbers it won’t say when deaths happened to stop people being identified, and then he tweets the minutes along with the dates. How protective of the weak and vulnerable is that?

miri1985 · 20/07/2024 03:00

Hes really gone off the deep end. He should be delighted that young people aren't killing themselves in the numbers he proclaimed repeatedly but instead hes so angry that the situation isn't anywhere near as bad as he thought.

He cares about being "right" and being seen to be "on the right side of history" more than he does about disphoric young people.

It was obvious the numbers he was claiming were wrong, every suicide is subject to a public inquiry, there is no way to cover this up like he claimed. I heard someone say in relation to conspiracy theories about Trump that those who engage in conspiracy theories have huge belief in the competency and ability of the State that the rest of us who don't engage in conspiracy do not.

He wants to be right so much that instead of fighting for better youth mental health provision, he will keep fighting for puberty blockers.

Hes now reposting Jack Turban who is attacking the credentials of the author and the independence of the NHS report https://x.com/jack_turban/status/1814446589924258276 . None of us like admitting when we get things wrong but Maugham is just digging himself in deeper and losing shred of credibility he had left

x.com

https://x.com/jack_turban/status/1814446589924258276