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Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington

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RedToothBrush · 09/07/2024 07:44

Oh Boy, has she blown this up.

Paul Brand from ITV and Iain Dale are not happy bunnies (both are gay).

Paul Brand ITV AT PaulBrandITV
Suella Braverman’s speech in Washington this evening contains a blistering attack on pro-LGBT Tories.

She says the pride (progress) flag has been flown on govt buildings as if marking “occupied territory”, accusing Tory colleagues of supporting a “horrible political campaign” which supports the “mutilation of children” and leaves her “physically repulsed”.

This is arguably some of the most inflammatory language used by an MP about any LGBT issue since the 1980s. People will scream at me from both sides of the argument, but most people agree that there is an important and sensitive discussion to be had about children and trans identity. The question is whether this language helps.

But by using this rhetoric, I suspect Suella Braverman hopes to draw attention to her views and claim this ground as her own in the coming leadership contest. Others in her party share the same view but don’t express it quite this strongly, so she marks herself out.

Iain Dale AT IainDale
What a disgusting speech. And she seriously thinks she has a chance of leading the Conservative Party. Not while I have a breath left in my body. Moderate Conservatives need to stand up and be counted. This will not stand.

The replies to Iain Dale are worth reading btw. They are largely telling him, he's wrong.

So what did Suella say? See transcript below.

I personally think because of who she is, it's probably unhelpful and only pushes the 'US conservative religious right' buttons. And she perhaps put it too strongly in language.

But, and I can't believe I'm saying this, isn't saying anything that I think is wrong either. Mainly cos she's right and isn't out of step with Cass.

The problem is, I think she will ultimately defect to Reform when she doesn't win the Tory Party leadership and I think the danger with her speech is that it will have the oppose effect to the one intended by forcing a polarisation merely because she's Evil Suella. But I suspect the idea this subject has gone away and can be quietly buried is firmly for the birds now. She's decided to make this a hill to die on by the looks of it.

As I say, that election result changed a lot. Farage will look to capitalise and Americanise this argument too. Expect more of similar.

Other parties now have a choice whether to play into the hands of the polarisation by pushing back (which politically I think is a bear trap which will back fire in time) or to acknowledge the issues that TWAW has created and the findings of the Cass Review.

Interesting times.

Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
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SwedishEdith · 09/07/2024 20:58

Doesn't look like Badenoch is very impressed by her. The whole party is falling apart. What a shame.

https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1810742561507508605?t=TrEAgHNsQAFzXeafpuPxgg&s=19

Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 21:11

Oh Cassie well done given you've admitted "not remembering" who Jack Straw was. Her husband's porn. That we - the beleaguered taxpayer - paid for.

As I recall at the time, that detail made it all better! 🤡

LlynTegid · 09/07/2024 21:15

Roy Jenkins as Home Secretary was a time of social reform. Divorce laws making it easier for women to leave abusive husbands, and homosexuality being legal.

Also ensured time for abortion to be legalised via a private members bill.

CassieMaddox · 09/07/2024 21:32

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 21:11

Oh Cassie well done given you've admitted "not remembering" who Jack Straw was. Her husband's porn. That we - the beleaguered taxpayer - paid for.

As I recall at the time, that detail made it all better! 🤡

Yep. A tenner on two porn films seems tame after Zahawi's stables, Michelle Mone's PPE, Boris Johnson's wallpaper etc

Theeyeballsinthesky · 09/07/2024 21:45

Duplicate info

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 21:53

If you think porn is harmless, and that humans can be measured in monetary value then sure, go ahead and make the "comparison". But Cassie all you're ever doing is showing us what a faux feminist you are, and how you simply don't care about exploitation of the powerless by the powerful. On another thread it was victims and survivors of child sexual abuse that you handwaved away. On this one, it's women abused for the enjoyment of men.

Keep at it.

CassieMaddox · 09/07/2024 22:34

😂
I think rental porn films in 2009 are a totally different proposition to the streaming porn available today.
And I think lots of women have manky porn using husbands and I'm not judging them for their husbands actions.

I am interested why it is that you have so much higher standards for left wing women than anyone else 🤔 I'd call that "faux feminism" myself.

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 22:39

Jacqui Smith was hated, as was Theresa May, I even remember hate for Jack Straw. It comes with the territory.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 10/07/2024 07:37

There was "cc all your emails to Jacqui Smith day" wasn't there? You forget how authoritarian their aims were.

BonfireLady · 10/07/2024 11:35

SwedishEdith · 09/07/2024 20:58

Doesn't look like Badenoch is very impressed by her. The whole party is falling apart. What a shame.

https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1810742561507508605?t=TrEAgHNsQAFzXeafpuPxgg&s=19

This is the first political move I've seen from Badenoch.

She's playing the player.

Although many people don't like Suella's style or politics (I'm on that list), I can't find anything that I disagree with in what Suella has said. And having seen the video of her delivering it, it doesn't sound like a public breakdown to me.

But yes, the Tory party needs to take a good look at itself on this before they do fall apart. Which is what Suella was saying....

IsadoraQuagmire · 10/07/2024 12:03

I like Suella, she speaks a lot of sense.

Biggleslefae · 10/07/2024 12:10

IsadoraQuagmire · 10/07/2024 12:03

I like Suella, she speaks a lot of sense.

Only to other nut jobs, surely 🤷🏼‍♀️
I'm baffled as to how anyone could take her seriously 😳

Westfacing · 10/07/2024 12:15

IsadoraQuagmire · 10/07/2024 12:03

I like Suella, she speaks a lot of sense.

Do you like that she's prancing around in the US instead of being at the first day of Parliament?

BonfireLady · 10/07/2024 12:29

Biggleslefae · 10/07/2024 12:10

Only to other nut jobs, surely 🤷🏼‍♀️
I'm baffled as to how anyone could take her seriously 😳

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I abhor a lot of what she says. Planes to Rwanda, homelessness as a lifestyle choice... no thank you.

But I agree with every word in the transcript of her speech, save for how much I care about the Conservatives being Conservative. I don't. My politics are liberal, with the exception that I don't support a) medical experimentation on vulnerable children and young people b) the consequences of gender identity belief being mandated as fact/truth. In a sane world, both of these things would be non-partisan. But here we are 🤦‍♀️

Does that make me a nutjob?

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2024 12:30

Westfacing · 10/07/2024 12:15

Do you like that she's prancing around in the US instead of being at the first day of Parliament?

It has to be said this shows her priorities.

Her priority is NOT to her constituents or to parliament. Her priority is NOT to her party.

Her priority is to promoting her personal agenda to a non British audience.

Nuff said.

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Biggleslefae · 10/07/2024 12:36

@BonfireLady I agree with what you say about the trans issues. But that woman is still a complete nut job in my view.

sunflowrsngunpowdr · 10/07/2024 12:46

I agree with her.

Hepwo · 10/07/2024 12:48

Obviously her constituents don't think she's a nut job..

Are they are all nut jobs too? What exactly are nut jobs?

Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
CassieMaddox · 10/07/2024 12:53

Hepwo · 10/07/2024 12:48

Obviously her constituents don't think she's a nut job..

Are they are all nut jobs too? What exactly are nut jobs?

You appear to have posted old results hewpo
She lost a lot of votes, so I'd say a lot of her constituents may very well think she's a nut job

Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
Hepwo · 10/07/2024 12:54

Double the number of constituents voted for her than Starmer.

His vote halved from 36,000 to 18,000. She held on to her vote. She's popular down here, the caricature I read about her from Tory bashing press doesn't match up. And her constituents are the coastal residents that have been accommodating increasing numbers of irregular global arrivals for many, many years now so she represents them and their views on immigration as it's a serious local issue.

CassieMaddox · 10/07/2024 12:54

I mean a 26% swing away has got to hurt. 18% to reform even though Braverman basically agrees with reform 🤔

CassieMaddox · 10/07/2024 12:57

Hepwo · 10/07/2024 12:54

Double the number of constituents voted for her than Starmer.

His vote halved from 36,000 to 18,000. She held on to her vote. She's popular down here, the caricature I read about her from Tory bashing press doesn't match up. And her constituents are the coastal residents that have been accommodating increasing numbers of irregular global arrivals for many, many years now so she represents them and their views on immigration as it's a serious local issue.

You need to get up to date stats. Starmer got 18,884 (50% share). Braverman got 17,561 (33% share).

He did far better than her.

If the Tories pick her as leader it will be them out in the wilderness even more

Hepwo · 10/07/2024 12:58

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/apologetic-suella-braverman-holds-on-as-she-wins-the-new-fareham-and-waterlooville-seat-4691911

Woops!

So she had a similar result to Starmer then? We can read across Maddox's words to Starmers results as it's almost identical?

The reform swing is absolutely because the government let her constituents down by not controlling immigration.

Hepwo · 10/07/2024 12:59

Apologies to all for responding to the usual suspect.

CassieMaddox · 10/07/2024 13:02

Hepwo · 10/07/2024 12:59

Apologies to all for responding to the usual suspect.

No apology for posting out of date and factually incorrect information in your rush to fangirl Braverman?

Starmer won a historic victory as leader as well as his own seat comfortably. Braverman is part of a Conservative government that suffered a heap of "worst ever" statistics and lost 26% of her own voter base.

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