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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington

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RedToothBrush · 09/07/2024 07:44

Oh Boy, has she blown this up.

Paul Brand from ITV and Iain Dale are not happy bunnies (both are gay).

Paul Brand ITV AT PaulBrandITV
Suella Braverman’s speech in Washington this evening contains a blistering attack on pro-LGBT Tories.

She says the pride (progress) flag has been flown on govt buildings as if marking “occupied territory”, accusing Tory colleagues of supporting a “horrible political campaign” which supports the “mutilation of children” and leaves her “physically repulsed”.

This is arguably some of the most inflammatory language used by an MP about any LGBT issue since the 1980s. People will scream at me from both sides of the argument, but most people agree that there is an important and sensitive discussion to be had about children and trans identity. The question is whether this language helps.

But by using this rhetoric, I suspect Suella Braverman hopes to draw attention to her views and claim this ground as her own in the coming leadership contest. Others in her party share the same view but don’t express it quite this strongly, so she marks herself out.

Iain Dale AT IainDale
What a disgusting speech. And she seriously thinks she has a chance of leading the Conservative Party. Not while I have a breath left in my body. Moderate Conservatives need to stand up and be counted. This will not stand.

The replies to Iain Dale are worth reading btw. They are largely telling him, he's wrong.

So what did Suella say? See transcript below.

I personally think because of who she is, it's probably unhelpful and only pushes the 'US conservative religious right' buttons. And she perhaps put it too strongly in language.

But, and I can't believe I'm saying this, isn't saying anything that I think is wrong either. Mainly cos she's right and isn't out of step with Cass.

The problem is, I think she will ultimately defect to Reform when she doesn't win the Tory Party leadership and I think the danger with her speech is that it will have the oppose effect to the one intended by forcing a polarisation merely because she's Evil Suella. But I suspect the idea this subject has gone away and can be quietly buried is firmly for the birds now. She's decided to make this a hill to die on by the looks of it.

As I say, that election result changed a lot. Farage will look to capitalise and Americanise this argument too. Expect more of similar.

Other parties now have a choice whether to play into the hands of the polarisation by pushing back (which politically I think is a bear trap which will back fire in time) or to acknowledge the issues that TWAW has created and the findings of the Cass Review.

Interesting times.

Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
Suella Bravermans speech last night in Washington
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InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 09/07/2024 12:58

It’s a good reminder from Suella that this has all happened under the Tories watch, due to the aggressive TRA tories in government. Despite the delusion that many MNers have that tories = good on this and Labour = bad.

DrSpartacular · 09/07/2024 13:02

Did she speak up on this at all throughout her term in government? I'm pretty sure she didn't.

Biggleslefae · 09/07/2024 13:15

I don't disagree with her on the transgender thing, but she's not motivated by wanting to help people she's just desperate for power / recognition and saying whatever she thinks will get her what she wants.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/07/2024 13:19

Personally think she's just saying what she thinks and what she believes. In that respect she is far more forthright that most politicians - who equivocate and evade and whose words you cannot trust. At least you know where you are with her.

DrSpartacular · 09/07/2024 14:00

Ok, very recently though, and a bit late to the party.

Obviously, the more speaking up, the better, but to have not spoken up for years and then blame everyone else isn't a great look.

Sloejelly · 09/07/2024 14:04

DrSpartacular · 09/07/2024 14:00

Ok, very recently though, and a bit late to the party.

Obviously, the more speaking up, the better, but to have not spoken up for years and then blame everyone else isn't a great look.

That is where she has spoken publically. I think it is a reasonable assumption that she didn’t immediately go to the press but spoke in private first.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 14:23

10 August 2022

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/equalities-and-rights-conflict-and-the-need-for-clarity

SerendipityJane · 09/07/2024 14:41

Shame her concern for children didn't extend to those in poverty, hunger and at risk of destitution thanks to the government she was part of.

ArabellaScott · 09/07/2024 15:41

Sloejelly · 09/07/2024 14:04

That is where she has spoken publically. I think it is a reasonable assumption that she didn’t immediately go to the press but spoke in private first.

Those were a few instances that I found with a quick google. There may be more going back further, I didn't look that hard.

RedToothBrush · 09/07/2024 15:43

Westfacing · 09/07/2024 12:54

She's just ingratiating herself with the American right wing - no doubt thinking ahead to lucrative speaking engagements when she's no longer an MP.

Agree with this.

Her agenda is ultimately to end all rights protections. So to say she's protecting rights of children it is also a bit of a stretch when she's leading a race to the bottom.

She's eyeing up a post Parliamentary career in the States.

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Soulsal · 09/07/2024 15:57

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 08:01

She's right about mutilating children and their collective failure to halt it. Although they did stem the tide somewhat, to be fair. Cass would never have happened under Labour.

She appears to be a loose cannon, and I read she had to be told/persuaded not to launch her leadership bid at the count on election night!

They need a cool head. She's not it.

Cass wouldn't have happened under labour. I agree its unlikely.

But the entire gender woo take over happened in the last 10 to 15 years. In other words entirely under Tory rule.

They sometimes supported and promoted it (like Miller's Self ID proposal, allowing gender to be taught in schools, uncritically funding the Tavistock.) And then mostly ignored it.
Only very recently that they finally sat up and smelled the coffee).

They could have stopped it dead by nipping it in the bud years ago. It's much more difficult now because an entire generation of school children, university students, graduates, health service managers, politicians, local authority staff, HR professional, parents, teachers and, of course, the unions have been gaslit and brain washed and are now so deep in the muck that they'd struggle to free themselves even if they wanted to.

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 15:59

I think she wants to be the leader of the opposition and bring the Tories who defected to Reform back into the fold. It seems the most obvious thing. Maybe she wants a career in America, but I doubt it’s her first priority.

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 16:02

The problem was that they didn’t want to be seen as the ‘nasty party’. In other words #BeKind came back to bite the Tories on the backside, just like it bites women. It should be a lesson to them. They need to suck up being disliked.

LlynTegid · 09/07/2024 16:04

SerendipityJane · 09/07/2024 14:41

Shame her concern for children didn't extend to those in poverty, hunger and at risk of destitution thanks to the government she was part of.

Or women and girls being assaulted by men who call themselves men, and 95% of whom never get charged or convicted.

SerendipityJane · 09/07/2024 16:12

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 15:59

I think she wants to be the leader of the opposition and bring the Tories who defected to Reform back into the fold. It seems the most obvious thing. Maybe she wants a career in America, but I doubt it’s her first priority.

Obvious.

And wrong.

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 17:29

SerendipityJane · 09/07/2024 16:12

Obvious.

And wrong.

How do you know? Do you know her personally?

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 17:31

BTW - Home Secretaries always become hate figures. Has there ever been one who hasn’t? If popularity is what a politician is after, the role is a poisoned chalice they shouldn’t touch.

SerendipityJane · 09/07/2024 19:23

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 17:31

BTW - Home Secretaries always become hate figures. Has there ever been one who hasn’t? If popularity is what a politician is after, the role is a poisoned chalice they shouldn’t touch.

I have a soft spot for Roy Jenkins.

GreenUp · 09/07/2024 20:13

ShillingForLabour · 09/07/2024 17:31

BTW - Home Secretaries always become hate figures. Has there ever been one who hasn’t? If popularity is what a politician is after, the role is a poisoned chalice they shouldn’t touch.

I can't remember that far back but am curious now. Did past Labour Home Secretaries like Alan Johnson and Jacqui Smith become hate figures?

CassieMaddox · 09/07/2024 20:32

I was wondering that. I don't even remember Jack Straw as home secretary 😂
Cleverly doesn't seem to have been as hated as Braverman either. I think she is just particularly vile.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 20:34

Jacqui Smith had to go because of porn. Don't think Alan Johnson was ever Home Secretary?

Hedgeoffressian · 09/07/2024 20:42

SerendipityJane · 09/07/2024 14:41

Shame her concern for children didn't extend to those in poverty, hunger and at risk of destitution thanks to the government she was part of.

And what about all the children thrown into destitution once Labour finally reveal they actually need to increase taxes massively in order to pay for all the promises they’ve made to the voting public?

CassieMaddox · 09/07/2024 20:48

Hedgeoffressian · 09/07/2024 20:42

And what about all the children thrown into destitution once Labour finally reveal they actually need to increase taxes massively in order to pay for all the promises they’ve made to the voting public?

😂👍

CassieMaddox · 09/07/2024 20:50

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 09/07/2024 20:34

Jacqui Smith had to go because of porn. Don't think Alan Johnson was ever Home Secretary?

Jacqui Smith had to go because of her husbands porn.
Seems quite innocent after the shameless behaviour of the last government