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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault

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WandsOut · 04/07/2024 18:06

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-denies-142813982.html

Story still unfolding in the news

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MrsToddsShortcut · 23/07/2024 14:04

IBelieveInFerries · 23/07/2024 13:44

https://www.tumblr.com/heritageposts/756276795016429568/nowhere-on-the-blog-does-it-say-you-have-to-be-an?source=share

Found this on Reddit. If itvis accurate, NG eliciting pics of fans in the bath. No age restrictions mentioned.

Is this what hiding in plain sight refers too?

It's still up. I've just found it on Tumblr. 😢

Most of these girls are very young (don't know if I would say minors but definitely no older than mid twenties) and lots of them naked in the bath - the pics aren't explicit but if you were the sort of creepy man who gets off on power trips involving young women, they don't necessarily need to be.

Very Grim

MrsToddsShortcut · 23/07/2024 14:08

I had no idea that LP had a relationship with Grace Lavery and NG. No wonder her boundaries are all over the place.

ArabellaScott · 23/07/2024 14:12

MrsToddsShortcut · 23/07/2024 14:04

It's still up. I've just found it on Tumblr. 😢

Most of these girls are very young (don't know if I would say minors but definitely no older than mid twenties) and lots of them naked in the bath - the pics aren't explicit but if you were the sort of creepy man who gets off on power trips involving young women, they don't necessarily need to be.

Very Grim

WTF

hihelenhi · 23/07/2024 14:12

MrsToddsShortcut · 23/07/2024 14:04

It's still up. I've just found it on Tumblr. 😢

Most of these girls are very young (don't know if I would say minors but definitely no older than mid twenties) and lots of them naked in the bath - the pics aren't explicit but if you were the sort of creepy man who gets off on power trips involving young women, they don't necessarily need to be.

Very Grim

Honestly, it gets worse, doesn't it?

And yet, this abusive creep is still being feted by the Grauniad et al, whereas JK Rowling, for daring to talk about women, kids, safety and the realities of abuse, is supposedly the devil incarnate, where women have been sacked for even intimating that they slightly agree with her.

Sick.

CorruptedCauldron · 23/07/2024 14:25

It is hideously unfair, hihelenhi.

Never forget how the Guardian reviewed Roisin Murphy’s album last year, describing it as a ‘masterful album with an ugly stain’.

The ugly stain? She wrote on her private Facebook page that puberty blockers were terrible for kids and Big Pharma was laughing all the way to the bank. A mainstream but privately held opinion, with not an ounce of hate in it, just concern for vulnerable children, yet the mob - including the Guardian - rounded on her. She has of course been proved to be correct about puberty blockers, considering the Cass Review and the government’s response.

I wonder how any of Gaiman’s future work will be reviewed from now on. The Guardian and their ilk will probably continue to fawn over him.

YellowAsteroid · 23/07/2024 15:28

Interesting site you linked to @IBelieveInFerries - seems like some of his former fans have twigged. One commenter says:

Now that the decades of allegations are finally breaking through I wonder what it was he actually got out of that, and if we were being surveilled in some way while we used it.

"Decades of allegations"? that is some stunning revelation ...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/07/2024 15:33

Most of these girls are very young (don't know if I would say minors but definitely no older than mid twenties) and lots of them naked in the bath - the pics aren't explicit but if you were the sort of creepy man who gets off on power trips involving young women, they don't necessarily need to be.

Ugh. Sordid creep.

StainlessSteelMouse · 23/07/2024 16:07

And it's not as if NG is incapable of pulling a woman relatively close to his age. He seems to be compulsively drawn to much younger women, and that says a lot about how sex and power go together for him.

If there's one thing that almost makes me feel sympathy for LP, it's her mercenary habit of attaching herself - professionally and/or personally - to people who might be able to advance her career, but turn out to have really bad characters. That's why I think she actually has negative weight as a character witness.

MrsToddsShortcut · 23/07/2024 17:17

StainlessSteelMouse · 23/07/2024 16:07

And it's not as if NG is incapable of pulling a woman relatively close to his age. He seems to be compulsively drawn to much younger women, and that says a lot about how sex and power go together for him.

If there's one thing that almost makes me feel sympathy for LP, it's her mercenary habit of attaching herself - professionally and/or personally - to people who might be able to advance her career, but turn out to have really bad characters. That's why I think she actually has negative weight as a character witness.

And also the fact she clearly repeatedly chooses these men (or they choose her): NG, RK & GL all, in my opinion, have misogynistic attitudes towards women

MrsToddsShortcut · 23/07/2024 17:22

That wasn't expressed very clearly. I mean that as much as she attaches herself to them, as you say, I wonder how much of it is them seeing her coming. A hugely ambitious writer who will do anything to get on, but who clearly also has a vulnerability that stops her recognising predation and boundary violation. And who also falls into the 'cute/gamin/alternative' category. Perfect for a certain type of man to offer a career boost to, in return for sex/loyalty/whatever.

StainlessSteelMouse · 23/07/2024 18:09

Oh, I'd imagine her type is catnip for NG. Not least because of the energy she puts into stroking his ego.

notathenabutcassandra · 23/07/2024 19:32

And for the avoidance of doubt...

Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault
notathenabutcassandra · 24/07/2024 21:57

I haven't forgotten...

Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault
BiscuityBoyle · 25/07/2024 11:22

Brewdug · 04/07/2024 18:57

I've listened to the whole podcast. It is as much an examination of consent in relationships and is very careful and thorough. It is fascinating, scary and calls a lot of people into question.

Lots of criticism online largely because Rachel Johnson is a 'right wing terf' (eye roll) and it's behind a Murdoch paywall (nope and nope). They seem to think it's a smearing by anti-trans baddies rather than a painstaking investigation that will have had to meet a lot of legal clearances and fully explains why it believes it is in the public interest.

Perhaps there is more to this than I understand but what does ‘trans’ have to do with a man who is a man and a woman who is a woman?

Edit: I posted this before I realised how long this thread was.
But still, nothing to do with trans people as I understand it.

ArabellaScott · 25/07/2024 11:35

Well, first of all people tried to discredit the story because the woman who broke it is labelled a 'terf'.

It's a good illustration of how the term is used to shut women up about MVAWG.

Secondly, Gaiman has long been vocal about being an ally for 'trans rights'.

For those of us watching the issues develop long term, this is a commonly observed pattern.

taylorswift1989 · 25/07/2024 11:36

I saw a youtube video by a woman who spent about ten minutes going on about how 'Boris Johnson's sister' couldn't be trusted. She said she was a feminist and she believed the women, but 'Boris Johnson's sister' was not a reliable source. I thought it doesn't sound very feminist to refuse to listen to someone because of a man that they're related to. Boris doesn't own his sister or control her mind.

But I think that people are grasping for anything they can use to discount the allegations. I imagine NG will also use this tactic. Possibly he'll show up at something and when asked about the allegations, he'll simply say, oh that's a load of terf nonsense from Boris Johnson's sister. It might work.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2024 13:59

But I think that people are grasping for anything they can use to discount the allegations.

They are. It doesn't matter that the two young women aren't "known terfs".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2024 14:00

She said she was a feminist and she believed the women, but 'Boris Johnson's sister' was not a reliable source.

So she doesn't actually believe the women then, she's lying. If she did believe them, the source wouldn't matter.

BezMills · 25/07/2024 14:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2024 14:00

She said she was a feminist and she believed the women, but 'Boris Johnson's sister' was not a reliable source.

So she doesn't actually believe the women then, she's lying. If she did believe them, the source wouldn't matter.

"Everything before the 'but' is a lie"

Grammarnut · 25/07/2024 14:31

taylorswift1989 · 25/07/2024 11:36

I saw a youtube video by a woman who spent about ten minutes going on about how 'Boris Johnson's sister' couldn't be trusted. She said she was a feminist and she believed the women, but 'Boris Johnson's sister' was not a reliable source. I thought it doesn't sound very feminist to refuse to listen to someone because of a man that they're related to. Boris doesn't own his sister or control her mind.

But I think that people are grasping for anything they can use to discount the allegations. I imagine NG will also use this tactic. Possibly he'll show up at something and when asked about the allegations, he'll simply say, oh that's a load of terf nonsense from Boris Johnson's sister. It might work.

Last I heard about Boris Johnson's sister she did not hold the same views as him. Being his sister doesn't make her unreliable.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/07/2024 14:44

She's a respected journalist in her own right, not just "Boris Johnson's sister".

taylorswift1989 · 25/07/2024 16:05

BezMills · 25/07/2024 14:29

"Everything before the 'but' is a lie"

To be fair to the youtuber, she did make a lot of points in support of the victims. I think she was genuinely conflicted about the whole "Boris"s sister" thing.

jacksonlambsregulardisorder · 25/07/2024 16:13

taylorswift1989 · 25/07/2024 16:05

To be fair to the youtuber, she did make a lot of points in support of the victims. I think she was genuinely conflicted about the whole "Boris"s sister" thing.

I understand what you're saying but again it's defining a woman by her relationship to a man, (particularly a relationship she can't really help). Boris Johnson has a politician brother, Jo, who always seems to escape this kind of scrutiny and be, well, his own man!

taylorswift1989 · 25/07/2024 16:16

jacksonlambsregulardisorder · 25/07/2024 16:13

I understand what you're saying but again it's defining a woman by her relationship to a man, (particularly a relationship she can't really help). Boris Johnson has a politician brother, Jo, who always seems to escape this kind of scrutiny and be, well, his own man!

Yes, that's the point I made when I originally commented about it, a few comments back.

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