Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault

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www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sandman-writer-neil-gaiman-denies-142813982.html

Story still unfolding in the news

Given that Boy George feels able to hold forth on politics and that people actually accept this, I think Gaiman will be back lecturing women on kindness in a while. I mean look at Tatchell.

So let's try not to let it go away.

Indeed @notathenabutcassandra

He can't silence all of us

Cancelled permanently?

Three men of my personal acquaintance, along with celebrity examples such as Robin Williams, Ben Affleck, Ethan Hawke, Arnold Schwarzneger , Mick Jagger, Chris De Burgh etc, all exploited unequal domestic power relations in much the same way. It has me thinking about the appearent ubiquity of Gaiman's grossly entitled, 'droit de seigneur', - under my roof and therefore ' fair game' attitude.

It'll probably come back at some time, but is overdue a long break. At the moment RTD seems to be on a mission to disprove the stereotype about gay men being really witty and creative.

Has anyone noticed the difference in public commentary on Gaiman and Alice Munro?

As ever, woman blamed for man’s actions.

I don’t see her being blamed for his actions. I see her getting blamed for taking her husband’s side when he’d written letters to her daughter threatening to publicise pictures he took when he abused her as a child if she exposed him.
The parent who turns a blind eye and allows the abused child to be blamed is equally as bad, in a different, cowardly way in my book (I do have personal experience, my father was brutal in enforcing my mother’s abuse).

Yes I totally understand that. But what I’ve noticed is how there’s a much higher level of public commentary on Munro’s complicity than on Gaiman’s behaviour.

Yes I think there's definitely more discussion about Munro. I think that's partly because it's more clear cut to people. With NG there's a lot of "innocent until proven guilty" talk as well as the usual rape culture nonsense.

What Munro did was monstrous and I hope no one tries to defend or minimise it.

I think people struggle with dealing with a person hurting someone who obviously can't consent - a child, vs a person hurting someone who said at the time that they did consent (because she'd been groomed to do so and was in a totally uneven power equation).

but with all the trans nonsense the thing that has kept me on the straight and narrow is looking at the net result of people's actions, not their stated intentions, and I think that holds here.

Whichever way you look at it, Neil Gaiman injured Scarlet (her testimony of bleeding from her bottom constantly has stayed with me). Just because it was while they were having sex, he still hurt her. the consequences for her are the same. but not for him apparently.

Fair enough, I’m a little prickly on that subject. I’d agree on that, and the underlying misogyny.

I recently visited an awesome secondhand book shop. The owner said she liked to give one book away for free when people bought several and she hummed and hawed a little before offering me American Gods. I hate to read into these things but the interaction felt a bit weird at the time and I remember thinking "maybe she didn't like the book" - she was quietly cool and lovely and I've considered making the epic trek there again just to go back there (we were on holiday). And now, I just wonder, YAKNOW? Anyway I haven't reread it yet, I bought it to see whether it was any good after trawling through it as a young one. It might go byebye to the chazza shop.

(I'd picked up the book, she didn't choose it herself - she just picked that one to not charge me for.)

I have tried to read A G a few times because of people banging on about how good it is and feel liberated by an excuse not to try again. I'll probably give it to a charity shop - at least N G won't profit from the sale. Not sure what else I have by him - Coraline , maybe some others?

The Guardian have mentioned the podcast…

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/jul/11/hear-here-pop-culture-debate-club

What the hell. That's a podcast review, not a news item. The fuckers. Feels like they're just trolling everyone at this point.

That's unbelievable. Note that they're at pains to say the relationship was "consensual."

Shouldn't surprise us but... Minimising, abuse-enabling, misogynist idiots. Don't want to say anything bad about their favourite abusive sleazebag who wrote a column for them at the weekend, and has all the "correct" opinions about why women's boundaries should be encroached, do they?

They don't wanna cover it cos NG is beloved by the TRA crowd.

The Guardian simply (and literally) cannot afford to admit they were wrong on TRA.

The Guardian doesn't sell enough papers or get enough subscribers to their website to make a profit. It's the Trust that keeps them going. Plus, they've lost loads and loads of sane, older readers since they went full on blue-haired woke. That is, the readers that have the disposable income to spend on the paper and the website and might course-correct the Guardian's ridiculous lurch into american progressivism.

All that's left are young, and I suspect skewing male, TRAs who blame kArEnS and fAcSiSts for everything wrong in the world. They hate evil terfs. And women in general.

If you don't believe me about the Graun's new dominant readership, dip BLT sometime (where they still dare to turn comments on that is).

CiF used to be a place of reasoned, witty and interesting debate. Now it's a reddit cesspool.

Problem is, of course, that the Progressive 'movement' in general is nothing more than a self-fellating ouroboros of hate. So placating this new readership is a hiding to nothing.

I have a bet on with a friend that the Graun won't exist in its current form 5 years. It'll either end up a tragic pastiche of the Metro like the Indie, or it'll get bought by someone like Buzzfeed and Owen Jones will be condemned to write listicles. Bwa ha ha ha haaaa.

Yes, sorry if I didn’t seem to understand. The news about Munro is hard to take. Must be more than difficult for you.

If you don't believe me about the Graun's new dominant readership, dip BLT sometime (where they still dare to turn comments on that is).

I haven't seen them turn comments on on a trans thread since about 2015.

The conversation I would want to have with my teenaged self would be something about desiring male approval - a frank "you will be stronly motivated by a desire for male approval." And also that alot of feminism (or so-called feminism) is about pretending that you're strong and feel cool with things you actually have reservations about. And which also always happen to be things that garner male approval.
I sometimes feel like we want to pretend our girls are stronger than they are, because it would be so nice, and they would be so safe, if they were.

Is it just me, or do men who marry women who are broad shouldered, and square of jaw etc tend to seem particularly keen on anal sex?

just you I think!

I don't think Gaiman's love of anal sex is anything to do with repressed homosexuality. It's about transgression and causing pain