Starmer is asked about toilets AGAIN

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https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1807058069941027227

And guess what his answer is?

Tbf Sunak did this when they were debating this issue. I would have thought that Starmer would have at least got this right.

You see a lot of us would have no issue with this. Me included. I do understand that some do have an issue so if that issue is more important than getting out of this shitstorm the government have created where people cant feed their children then vote accordingly.

Well I had a miscarriage. Other women may have suffered the same. Also have you heard of periods?

A man is a man, surgery or not. They are bigger and stronger than us and the sort of men that want to frequent our loos may have dark reasons for doing so. Third space all the way.

@MumblesParty

I'm so sorry and I can't imagine how unbelievably painful and anger inducing it is to have people ask why we possibly have an issue with men in women's toilets.

Fucking hell I'm just so sorry

@MumblesParty I’m so sorry that happened to you.

Well then you could campaign for third spaces, and leave women's spaces intact for those that do want or require them.

It has always been fairly clear to me that this is a 20 year campaign/project. You cannot over-turn something in a few years that has become embedded in the way trans ideology has. It took years of working behind the scenes for the activists to get it embedded in the first place.

The awful irony is that just as the gender project is starting to naturally fall apart and be exposed for what it is......along comes Labour to re-embed it. Labour's timing is terrible. They are now actively pusihing against the tide ( which makes it even more unforgiveable) and in doing so are creating a noose for their own neck.........and for the inevitabe women and girls who will become victims of their short-sighted intransigence and subservience to lobby groups.

Totally agree with this. I think Labour will be shooting themselves in the foot with insisting on going ahead with GRA reform, conversion therapy bans, hate speech laws and generally ignoring the obvious harms of trans activism in schools and in medical settings.

I don’t this any of this will prevent them being elected with a large majority but that won’t mean that these policies are popular with the voters and it may hasten Labour’s demise if they continue to stick their fingers when people raise concerns. You only have to look at Scotland to see how unpopular these policies are and how much damage they can do to the reputation of a party. This is frustrating because we are going to need more than 5 years of a Labour government to help sort out the problems facing the UK.

You can also see this happening in Europe, where gender ideology and identity politics, amongst other factors, have contributed to the rise in voting.for right wing parties in the recent European Parliament elections.

When I was 14 and very naive I met an older guy - probably 17-19 - at a beach disco when on holiday. He invited me down to the beach and not understanding the implications, I went. When he starting necking me and trying to put his hands all over me I asked him to stop. He said something along the lines of "you came to the beach so what do you expect". I was SO naive that I had expected to look at the sea and have a chat.
I managed to run away and into the ladies toilets on the beach. He stood outside shouting for 10-15 min and then went away. I sat for 45 mins longer before daring to come out and go back to my hotel room.

The fact that back in the 1980s males were simply not to go in female spaces effectively stopped that assault. So it matters to me, and I don't care if you just want to pee. Not in a female only space.

And what happens in the U.S is key too.......especially so. The situation is crazy there...and that is its place of origin, too. Much of the funding is U.S originated also.

If you come across someone in the ladies toilet who is obviously male from their build, male pattern baldness, voice, gait and the 100 other 'tells' how the hell do you know if they have had surgery or not? Surely the only way to know is if they are flashing what they have (or don't have) at you.
If you welcome rabbits into the hen house you create a pathway for the foxes.

It has always been fairly clear to me that this is a 20 year campaign/project.

I thought the push when Theresa May was prime minister was badly timed because the 'trans umbrella' was middle aged men and school girls. Never a great combination to promote as a single group.

Now, not only has this cohort of girls grown up, but the voters in their early twenties have been taught gender ideology. So have been taught the sex differences are minimum.

Its still difficult for a middle aged men like Starmer to talk about men in womens toilets (and teen girls in mens), but said by the right minister is definitely more palatable now.

Me neither. The 'penis' issue is wholly irrelevant. If you were born male, you are a man or a boy. And, like it or not, you forever will be.

The problem for any government pushing the idea of gendered spaces as opposed to sex spaces is always going to be the reality of transition.

Politicians can talk about vulnerability and transition, but with the best will in the world, passing in every situation isnt happening. Also they are forgetting that vulnerable people can be a threat to others too.

It remains the question to which nobody seems to have an answer.

So ..... why can't they?

Do you think castration actually stops male violence? It's irrelevant anyway, given only maybe 5% of TW have their genitals removed.

The problem is that men like Starmer are so deeply sexist in their view of women that they don't even realise it. To them this is normal. He's the type who will look at another man who's slapped on some makeup and a dress and think, this is a woman. Unless he has the epiphany that this is a wholly regressive perspective to have, I see no hope.

It's very short & he does the usual. The point of the clip, though, is that the interviewer asks him if that means that a certain category of people would have to use the men's bathroom - he diverts - she asks him to say yes or no - he diverts again & then walks off.

I asked on another thread & I'll ask it here: if any party puts out a manifesto which is obscure & self-contradictory on an important topic & it then refuses to clarify its proposals when repeatedly asked about them, so that the electorate have no idea what the party intends to do - then if that party gets elected, how can it possibly claim that it has a mandate or that its policy (when finally revealed) is the will of the people?

From things I've read this week, this has an important knock-on effect because there's claimed to be an arrangement in parliament that if something's in a manifesto, it doesn't get debated in the HoL because it's taken to be the will of the people. Does anyone know if this is accurate & what it's called? I can't remember where I read it so I can't check.

From things I've read this week, this has an important knock-on effect because there's claimed to be an arrangement in parliament that if something's in a manifesto, it doesn't get debated in the HoL because it's taken to be the will of the people. Does anyone know if this is accurate & what it's called? I can't remember where I read it so I can't check.

It's called the Salisbury Doctrine of Convention.

More on the Parliament website here including a downloadable briefing document.
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/salisbury-doctrine/

If you didn't feel like you were invading their space or that it was not entirely appropriate for you to be in the opposite sex toilets, then why did you shout out to warn them you were coming in and make an effort to avert your eyes?

Did each man who came in also shout out to announce his presence when entering the men's toilets? If it was fine for you to be in there, why was the warning necessary?

It sounds like you shouted to warn the men so that they could adjust both their behaviour and their expectations of being in a single sex space to accommodate a woman whose presence suddenly made it a mixed sex space.

It’s just hard to imagine that the leader of a party, who is so in thrall to an ideology that pretends men are women, that he can’t even make a statement of biological fact about women, is going to be the person who gets us out of our current shitstorm.

I have hidden in the women’s toilets more than once when being followed or harassed by a man. Not only a place that men didn’t enter, if there were other women we could all leave together in s protective group.

It used to be a safe place for women and girls. On the extremely rare occasion that a man tried to get in, he would be turned away by women or (if in a pub) dragged away by other men.

Dead right. Does Starmer not see what a fool he looks with these blundering statements? Not inspiring any confidence in his abilities.