Starmer is asked about toilets AGAIN

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https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1807058069941027227

And guess what his answer is?

Does an 11 year old girl have the right to use a woman's toilet without a male stranger in there?

He is utterly repellent. What I find incredible is that he is married with a daughter. Imagine being them and knowing your husband/dad literally doesn’t give a shit about your rights; anything for votes

I felt really humiliated when I was sorting out the results of a random flooding period in a public loo. Naked from the waist down, trying to wash my belly, bum and thighs, tights thrown in the bin, rinsing the worst of the blood out of my knickers and pulling them back on wet and then rinsing out my skirt and using the hand dryer to dry it enough for me to put it back on. At least I had the sympathy of those women who were there. The idea of going through that in the presence of a man, however they present, would leave me wanting to die.

Especially since a man claiming to be a woman so as to force his way in, would be very likely getting off on it.

On the 'what women/men do in toilets' question:
There's also the fact that toilets by their nature are enclosed areas shut away from the main part of a building, and sometimes there are only one or two people in there.

Being shut in a room with a strange man is a potentially risky situation for a woman. Currently, or at least up until gender ideology took over, seeing a man there was a red flag. You knew that chances were he was up to no good, and could react accordingly. You would get out if you could; or lock yourself in the cubicle; maybe hang around to see another girl out safely; call staff and ask them to remove him.

In the proposed approach where anyone can go in, we're supposed to just ignore a man there. We're not supposed to take action to keep ourselves safe. We certainly wouldn't get support from staff, we might even get called bigots and thrown out of the building ourselves.

And if he does attack us, we should have known better. But since he's a "she" we're additionally punished for thinking one of the sacred caste might not be safe to be around. In the unlikely event it ever gets to court, there's the humiliation ritual of being required to call him "her".

He's pathetic - couldn't get away from the journalist fast enough.

As well as all of the above, the reason that toilets are an issue is because you are sitting there with your pants around your ankles so are in an especially vulnerable position if anyone does get access.

Women's toilets are often a quiet space away from the public eye. Two female specific things I've done in there, other than going for a wee or poo, are take a pregnancy test and pump breast milk. I've also opened A level results in there.

Yes I don't think men consider the fact that women have to partially undress every time they go to the loo.

Meanwhile a Labour NEC member comes up with this.

I, too, have pumped breast milk in the female toilets. Multiple times.

Female toilets are never just for peeing.

Opinion piece in The Morning Star which might be of interest to the the thread:

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/labour-still-mess-over-women-rights

Jess Barnard sounds well jell of Kate's column.

What they, and all governments, need to do is stop pretending men can be women and vice versa. Drop the whole legal fiction that there is anything but two immutable sexes. But they won't, because they love this oh-so-progressive way of removing the rights women have fought so hard for.

But able to cover that with a display of piousness 😏

I have endometriosis and the pain has caused me to collapse in the women's toilets and pass out. Twice other women called for an ambulance so I could be rushed to hospital. I've also had a miscarriage in a public loo. Women's biology makes them vulnerable for all kinds of reasons, hence the need for separate spaces.

@user1471453601 when I was 16 I was raped by a stranger in the street. When it was over I ran to the nearby bus station and into the toilets. There were 3 lovely women in there, who comforted me, gave me a hug as a cried, talked to me, supported me.

Lucky you that all you’ve ever had to do is “go into a sealed unit (as in close the door) have my wee or poo, wipe myself, pull up my underwear and exit the door. I then wash my hands, perhaps 're apply my make up, go back out of the toilet”.

Well, perhaps you might try to also imagine doing those things when out and about in the night time economy, in a mixed sex toilet block with a shared acess corridor and washbasins in the access area.

Perhaps you might also imagine sending your 10 year old daughter into a mixed sex facility or feeling you have to accompany her because there might be men in there; or maybe having to take refuge in the ladies after a very hot flush; or when you've just come on your period or have flooded......Try to imagine walking into a toilet block to find men peeing with door wide open; or perhaps a man looking at you in a lascivious way as you queue for a free toilet.......

If toilets are not such a big deal why can't trans identified males use the men's?

What line did he use?

I can’t bear listening to him but may have to

I always think of women who are controlled by abusive partners. Posters with phone numbers for helplines etc can be read by a woman in there alone, but not if her partner can follow her in.

The Morning Star has run many supportive articles like this.

So your argument supports that transwomen DONT need to use the female toilets then since they can go into the men's and shut the cubicle door?

when I was much younger and frequented clubs, it was not that off for me to enter the mens toilet, shout out that a woman was going in, avert my eyes as I entered, and use the first available cubical. It was quite normal around that time. I didn't feel like I was invading their space, it was a practical solution to the fact that women need to to pee sat down and ,because they are private.

Why would you shout out a woman was going in and avert your eyes if you didn’t feel like you were invading the mens space? Sounds to me like you were very aware you were invading their space by doing those things. You knew that some of the men would be uncomfortable with you there.