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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR calls Labour's Bluff - Offering Meeting leadership only on her terms

382 replies

fromorbit · 24/06/2024 20:44

JKR is playing at a different level. After Starmer and Reeves offered to meet with her she gave them her conditions.

I'll be happy to meet after NoXYinXXprisons, Lesbian Labour, Womens Rights Network, WomansPlaceUK and Alliance LGB have been given in person meetings with the Labour leadership. I'd also like to know whether Angela Rayner still considers the last two organisations hate groups.

They are trapped either they now have to meet with gay and women's groups and listen to them something they are desperate not to do. It is not impossible then that Reeves at least can be made to see some sense. Even talking with these groups and JKR will also make TRAs go ballistic and many will leave the party. Chances are that Labour will promise a bunch of stuff to JKR which If Labour still follow gender nonsense after that they can be fully held to account for. If they promise single sex spaces are safe then every time that is breached Labour's credibility will be on the line

Or if they refuse to meet with the groups they prove EVERYTHING JKR said in her essay was right.

The media are now hyping the meeting further locking Labour in

BRING IT ON
Keir Starmer insists he WILL meet with JK Rowling to thrash out trans and gender rights & ‘respects’ her views
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28714134/keir-starmer-jk-rowling-trans/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/24/labour-gender-transition-recognition-process-trans.

a woman in a blue dress stands in front of a sign that says rift

Keir insists he WILL meet with JK Rowling to thrash out trans and gender rights

KEIR Starmer has tonight insisted he will meet with JK Rowling to thrash out trans and gender rights – saying he “respects her views”. The Labour leader dropped the bombshell …

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/28714134/keir-starmer-jk-rowling-trans

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Rhaidimiddim · 24/06/2024 21:58

borntobequiet · 24/06/2024 21:34

They don't respond to emails pointing this out to them.

Gosh, really, what a surprise. How remiss of them.

Quite a lot of, er, masculine-type entitlement packed into that moan that yhey don't respond...

ActivePeony · 24/06/2024 22:00

Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2024 21:55

This made me a bit teary also -

'It's far deeper and more personal than that. I was one of the women most affected by this ideology, and if I was still there (poor, reliant on state-run single sex spaces), I'd look at Now Me and think 'why the fuck aren't you speaking? Why are you letting us fight alone?''

x.com/jk_rowling/status/1805305046957277606

She is wonderful. 💪

LarkLane · 24/06/2024 22:00

Some of us still remember when Kinnock snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

GennyLec · 24/06/2024 22:05

I know, Lark. Lord K was on the radio this week talking about how even that night - the night of the rally - he knew that it had slipped away from him, Glynis too, they could see it in their peoples eyes even through the chanting and partying. Painful to recall for him and painful to listen to.

GennyLec · 24/06/2024 22:07

I note we had a drive-by scold 👍. Never fail to disappoint.

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 24/06/2024 22:08

Whoop!! Love her.

RoseAndGeranium · 24/06/2024 22:08

I bloody love JK. I’m so grateful to her for digging her heels in and accepting the role of lightning rod for all of this. I’d vote for her to run the country any day.

GailBlancheViola · 24/06/2024 22:14

PronounssheRa · 24/06/2024 21:03

Queen takes king.

Your move Labour

I think it is checkmate to JKR.

GailBlancheViola · 24/06/2024 22:15

GennyLec · 24/06/2024 22:07

I note we had a drive-by scold 👍. Never fail to disappoint.

No thread is ever without one.

WickedSerious · 24/06/2024 22:16

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 21:23

"JKR for Prime Minister"

Can you imagine. We would hear about trans people all day every day, there would be no escape.

Like now you mean?

CaveMum · 24/06/2024 22:20

In case anyone missed it, James Kirkup has written a great piece in celebration of JKR: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/j-k-rowlings-glorious-refusal-to-be-kind/

This isn’t a column about Rowling’s views on sex and gender. It’s about her anger and her refusal, her unflinching, unapologetic and utterly glorious refusal to be kind.

and

But in the end, some things are more important than being nice. Telling the truth is one of them.

J.K. Rowling’s glorious refusal to be kind 

She’s excoriated Keir Starmer for his failure, once again, to defend the gender-critical Labour MP Rosie Duffield.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/j-k-rowlings-glorious-refusal-to-be-kind

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:22

OvaHere · 24/06/2024 21:26

Plenty of proof to back this up including people who wear LGB-Alliance clothing not being welcome at actual gay bars and gay pride events.

Some people would say this is evidence of gay spaces and gay pride no longer being about gay rights. See also lesbians being attacked at pride events for being same sex attracted.

Or maybe because most gay/bi/lesbian people support trans rights? Or at the very least aren't gender critical and wouldn't welcome/support gender critical views or protests?

"See also lesbians being attacked at pride events for being same sex attracted."

Translation- if this is what I think you're referring to- a small number of lesbians holding gender critical views holding up/trying to hijack a pride march they hadn't registered (which is the rules) and being asked to leave. A pride march which has also been attended by large numbers, dozens or hundreds, of non-gender-critical gay and lesbians who enjoyed the event and had a good time.

KohlaParasaurus · 24/06/2024 22:23

misscockerspaniel · 24/06/2024 21:03

JKR for Prime Minister

I think she is MUCH more effective as a loose cannon than she could ever be with the constraints of public office. And also, she's got books to write.

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:24

Back to the topic, I have an idea, hear me out.

Instead of meeting with politicians to discuss trans people. Why doesn't JK Rowling instead meet with actual trans people to talk?

LarkLane · 24/06/2024 22:25

Is the user name RantyRantington taken?
Asking for a friend.

CaveMum · 24/06/2024 22:26

LarkLane · 24/06/2024 22:25

Is the user name RantyRantington taken?
Asking for a friend.

Jon Stewart Laughing GIF

Tee hee

murasaki · 24/06/2024 22:28

God she's good. It's like Magnus Carlsen playing chess, always several moves ahead.

murasaki · 24/06/2024 22:29

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:24

Back to the topic, I have an idea, hear me out.

Instead of meeting with politicians to discuss trans people. Why doesn't JK Rowling instead meet with actual trans people to talk?

Because some have a tendency to stalk her outside her house. And issue death threats.

nocoolnamesleft · 24/06/2024 22:31

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:24

Back to the topic, I have an idea, hear me out.

Instead of meeting with politicians to discuss trans people. Why doesn't JK Rowling instead meet with actual trans people to talk?

She doesn't want to discuss trans people. She wants to discuss sex based rights for women, and safeguarding of children.

Waitwhat23 · 24/06/2024 22:34

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:24

Back to the topic, I have an idea, hear me out.

Instead of meeting with politicians to discuss trans people. Why doesn't JK Rowling instead meet with actual trans people to talk?

JKR, and women's rights organisations, would be meeting with politicians to discuss women's rights.

Oddly enough.

CorvusPurpureus · 24/06/2024 22:34

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:24

Back to the topic, I have an idea, hear me out.

Instead of meeting with politicians to discuss trans people. Why doesn't JK Rowling instead meet with actual trans people to talk?

She's meeting women.

Because she's supporting women's rights.

CorvusPurpureus · 24/06/2024 22:35

murasaki · 24/06/2024 22:28

God she's good. It's like Magnus Carlsen playing chess, always several moves ahead.

It's an absolute pleasure to watch. Damn, she's smart.

ResisterRex · 24/06/2024 22:36

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:24

Back to the topic, I have an idea, hear me out.

Instead of meeting with politicians to discuss trans people. Why doesn't JK Rowling instead meet with actual trans people to talk?

This is about child safeguarding. And women and our sex based rights.

Not men with special pieces of paper.

mrshoho · 24/06/2024 22:36

Christinapple · 24/06/2024 22:24

Back to the topic, I have an idea, hear me out.

Instead of meeting with politicians to discuss trans people. Why doesn't JK Rowling instead meet with actual trans people to talk?

Because when she played nicely and wrote her now famous essay that was in my opinion respectful to the trans community she endured the most hateful wrath. NO DEBATE was shouted loudly and aggressively.

QueenofTheBorg · 24/06/2024 22:36

LizzieSiddal · 24/06/2024 20:48

Brilliant, I wish Jk ran the world.

Me too