Swansea Univ abides by the law (with very bad grace)

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https://afcomm.org.uk/2024/06/20/swansea-university-grudgingly-complies-with-the-law/

Swansea University has made it clear that it would much rather cancel this event with @MForstater, @HJoyceGender, @akuareindorf and @JoPhoenix1.

The only reason it is not doing so is to comply with the law.

I don't think they're right that gender critical views are 'a protected characteristic'. It's a belief worthy of respect etc etc, but not one of the nine protected charactistics.

Religion or belief is a protected characteristic under EA 2010, and an Employment Appeal Tribunal judgement found that critical beliefs met the grainger test, meaning that individuals who hold gender critical beliefs are protected, under EA 2010, from unlawful discrimination against them on the basis of holding that belief.

Swansea University would be in breach of EA 2010 if it discriminated against them because it objects to their gender critical beliefs.

Ah, ok. Thanks for your explanation.

'.. the University confirms that it has accepted this hire in adherence with its legal duty of ensuring freedom of expression and freedom of speech. '
The University then stated 'S not faaaiiir! I haaate you', and went to its room, slamming the door behind it, only to emerge a few seconds later to get a packet of chocolate biscuits from the kitchen, and return to its room, slamming the door even harder.

@MarieDeGournay I just sputtered fruit teacake all over my phone screen.

'they believe that sex is a biological fact and cannot be changed.'

This really fucks me off, it's not 'a belief' that you can't change sex it's biological fact. Gender is a completely different and meaningless thing.

The problem is that the only way to use the law in this instance is through the protected characteristic of belief.

Whatever C P Scott may have said (and the poor man must be whirling in his grave by now), facts are not sacred, sadly.

Looks like there is a TERF at Taliesin as this is, I believe the second or third such event to take place there. You can email them at [email protected] to voice your support of their continued commitment to free speech and women's rights.

Don't you think it's eye opening?

'They believe sex is a biological fact and cannot be changed'.

'They believe water is wet and can't be dry'

'They believe in gravity- fools!'

It sort of begs the question of what they believe, really.

It's like being Galileo.

"The earth does revolve around the sun, though.'

I read this article in the Critic the other day, about 'soft cancellation'. This is totally it

https://thecritic.co.uk/death-by-red-tape/

Reminds me of a Dilbert neologism, 'confuseopoly'. If forced to be open about your pricing, make them so complex your customers can't fathom them then so they just give up.

Sure well host your bigotted talk but we need this, then this, then pay for this and now we need this, etc., etc. ad infinitum.

When the Forstater case was being heard, that's exactly what I thought. I may have ranted about it a bit. And then I realised what a blinder had been played. Facts are being handwaved away, ignored, lied about. But 'beliefs'? Once the Forstater case had fully played out and her belief that there are only two sexes and humans cannot change their sex was affirmed as 'worthy of respect' - well, the facts might not be protected in law but the belief in those facts WAS!

But yes, it still fucks me off too. Facts should be enough.

It's a philosophical belief. Such beliefs are under the protected characteristic of 'Religion'. So GC views are protected.

I'm not entirely happy that scientific fact must be placed into the category of "belief", but we've got to work with the tools available.

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Diddums!

I got 21, yes TWENTY-ONE, 'thanks' for this! From the highly intelligent and very discerning FWRs, it's like an Oscar, innit
I'd like to thank my manager, my therapist, my dialect coach, my driver, my personal trainer, my mother, my father, my sisters, my brothers, my cousins - all the little people who helped me achieve this award, and [serious face, gesturing upwards] of course I'd like to thank the Goddess ..
I love you all, mwah mwah...

....am I too late!? Thank you @MarieDeGournay 😊

Sounds like the university are hinting that they'd not have a problem if TRAs stormed the event and had a massive tantrum tbh.

They have no idea how unprofessional they sound. Like sulky teens yet they're meant to be a professional seat of learning and enquiry.

Every institution that spouts trans nonsense ends up beclowning themselves.

I'll have my people call your people and we'll see if we can work something out.
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I'm on the app so cannot thank you @MarieDeGournay. I demand my FWR given rights to thank you. And also go 😂😂😂

This whole no platform no debate bollocks is a smokescreen.

The truth is they can't risk debating it because they have no argument that stands up to scrutiny.

Getting angry and demanding people aren't allowed to speak or be heard and throwing tantrums and yelling about how anyone who doesn't think like you do should be murdered or kill themselves (seriously got to be the most stupid response ever oh waa waa I don't like what you're saying so you need to die. 🤦 Pathetic). is far easier than having to engage in debate and back up your opinion with facts and logic and answer questions about your opinion.

Not that the uni is suggesting death, I'm talking about the cult of Biology Is Not Real in general