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Gardening: Lizzy Pitt will be represented by Naomi Cunningham against Cambridgeshire County Council in July

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AstonUniversityDataScrapingDepartment · 13/06/2024 16:01

Lizzy Pitt needs help with gardening in the usual place if anyone has plants to spare. She is a social worker accused of hate speech for expressing gender critical views, and is being represented by Naomi Cunningham.

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 01/08/2024 22:08

They must be cream crackered after a day of Tribunal Tweeting.

Mmmnotsure · 02/08/2024 11:30

Lizzy Pitts says there were 2121 donations - that's an average of c £25 each from a lot of (mostly) women.

Her update is very funny, in an awful kind of way. Apparently the reaction of colleagues to Lizzy stating in a meeting the presumably dreadful views that there are two sexes, not wanting men in lesbian spaces, etc., included:

My colleagues' reactions to hearing views they disagreed with had been hysterical. One said that he couldn’t sleep for two nights “thinking about this cruelty”, and referred to my “symbolic violence," and then going full steam with just "violence”. Another said that he had felt able to relax at the beginning of the meeting because he thought “ah we’re all like minded friends here”- it’s an amusing irony of gender identity belief that it holds that “diversity” requires everyone to think the same. The same colleague said that by the end of the meeting he was “shaking in disbelief” and “traumatised". A third colleague said she had had several nights of poor sleep after the incident, and had continued to experience problems with sleeping and anxiety dreams.There was talk of one colleague's “gender-fluid” (clearly male) dog, which he puts in dresses. He had identified his dog as gender fluid, no self-id there then. (You really had to be there.)

It's enough to make you wish they hadn't caved. But much easier on Lizzy that they did.

lcakethereforeIam · 02/08/2024 11:52

These are SWs!? How can such mentally fragile individuals possibly be of any use to anyone else? They, I assume, are expected to help people who are dealing with trauma, medical and mental problems. Their service users may have undergone, are undergoing, experiences that are truly horrifying. Some of them might not be conventionally 'naice' people and they won't all have signed up to the current, ever changing, book of acceptable beliefs.

I think her colleagues are...snobs. They can accept what they would call out as bigotry because they see the people they are meant to help as 'less than'.

Alternatively, they just a bunch of lying, liars. Over egging their reactions because they needed to burn the witch.

Actually, I think it's both.

AnnaMagnani · 02/08/2024 11:57

My experience of working with Social Workers is that they are either extremely robust, common sense, hardworking and practical people or absolute snowflakes.

There doesn't seem to be an in between type.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/08/2024 15:36

Good grief - those comments. I suppose the conspiracy theory that TWAW is at the toddler level of fantasy. This may go some way to explain why people advocating it end up sounding like overwrought children needing their cuddlies, support kittens or whatever. Very far from intelligent professional behaviour.

Currently being displayed by a few posters on this board today 😂🙄

lcakethereforeIam · 02/08/2024 23:50

Reported in the Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/02/cambridgeshire-council-discrimination-social-worker-gender/

https://archive.ph/s2kbt right side of her story

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 03/08/2024 08:55

Mmmnotsure · 02/08/2024 11:30

Lizzy Pitts says there were 2121 donations - that's an average of c £25 each from a lot of (mostly) women.

Her update is very funny, in an awful kind of way. Apparently the reaction of colleagues to Lizzy stating in a meeting the presumably dreadful views that there are two sexes, not wanting men in lesbian spaces, etc., included:

My colleagues' reactions to hearing views they disagreed with had been hysterical. One said that he couldn’t sleep for two nights “thinking about this cruelty”, and referred to my “symbolic violence," and then going full steam with just "violence”. Another said that he had felt able to relax at the beginning of the meeting because he thought “ah we’re all like minded friends here”- it’s an amusing irony of gender identity belief that it holds that “diversity” requires everyone to think the same. The same colleague said that by the end of the meeting he was “shaking in disbelief” and “traumatised". A third colleague said she had had several nights of poor sleep after the incident, and had continued to experience problems with sleeping and anxiety dreams.There was talk of one colleague's “gender-fluid” (clearly male) dog, which he puts in dresses. He had identified his dog as gender fluid, no self-id there then. (You really had to be there.)

It's enough to make you wish they hadn't caved. But much easier on Lizzy that they did.

What a shame that they capitulated and that level of batshittery wasn't exposed in court!

RoyalCorgi · 03/08/2024 09:34

Mmmnotsure · 02/08/2024 11:30

Lizzy Pitts says there were 2121 donations - that's an average of c £25 each from a lot of (mostly) women.

Her update is very funny, in an awful kind of way. Apparently the reaction of colleagues to Lizzy stating in a meeting the presumably dreadful views that there are two sexes, not wanting men in lesbian spaces, etc., included:

My colleagues' reactions to hearing views they disagreed with had been hysterical. One said that he couldn’t sleep for two nights “thinking about this cruelty”, and referred to my “symbolic violence," and then going full steam with just "violence”. Another said that he had felt able to relax at the beginning of the meeting because he thought “ah we’re all like minded friends here”- it’s an amusing irony of gender identity belief that it holds that “diversity” requires everyone to think the same. The same colleague said that by the end of the meeting he was “shaking in disbelief” and “traumatised". A third colleague said she had had several nights of poor sleep after the incident, and had continued to experience problems with sleeping and anxiety dreams.There was talk of one colleague's “gender-fluid” (clearly male) dog, which he puts in dresses. He had identified his dog as gender fluid, no self-id there then. (You really had to be there.)

It's enough to make you wish they hadn't caved. But much easier on Lizzy that they did.

I would so have loved for all that to come out in court. I didn't think anything could top the joy of the person who had both their mum and a support dog in the Allison Bailey tribunal, but I think this might have done it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/08/2024 17:30

Fabulous article by Jo Bartosch

The details are as comic as they are cautionary. Documents prepared for the hearing reveal the dangers of allowing a clique of sanctimonious zealots to set policy for an entire organisation.

Following an acrimonious exchange during a workplace LGBTQ+ network meeting, Pitt was investigated by human resources. She was told that she had “demonstrated behaviours which were non-inclusive and perceived as transphobic” and was suspended from the network.

Accusations were quickly collected from attendees at the meeting. These included that Pitt and a more junior colleague she managed (who has since left CCC) had shared hateful views, including “that all pregnant people are women.” Pitt was also criticised for arguing “that using the pronoun ‘they’ to refer to one person was silly as it wasn’t grammatically correct.”

This latter point particularly upset the communications and marketing officer, who wrote in an email following the meeting:
I shut down and sat there silently, unable to respond to any of the rhetoric. I was shaking in disbelief, waiting for the meeting to finish – traumatised.

Meanwhile, the social worker, whose own views on his dog’s identity might be politely described as barking, questioned whether someone with Pitt’s opinions could be trusted to do her job, explaining:

I am wondering how she is advising in supervision regarding LGBTQIA+ service users. We know that in Social Care we work with vulnerable young people, families, and adults. What are the pieces of advice given to LGBTQIA+ service users? I am wondering if this symbolic violence is being extended in practices in supervision."

Eventually, the complaints reached the council CEO, Stephen Moir. He told the entire organisation in a recorded address that trans members of staff had been subjected to abuse, discrimination, and harassment. He added he would not tolerate such behaviour and that within CCC there was “no LGB without the T.”

It was a few months later, in November 2023, that Pitt launched the legal action.

The threat of a tribunal appeared not to deter CCC management. The service director for human resources wrote in her witness statement for the court that Pitt and her colleague who had spoken during the meeting had “been oppressive in their assertions that biological sex was scientifically fixed and there were two genders and therefore talk of other views was not credible.” She also complained that Pitt was not prepared to prioritise the “lived experience” of her colleagues and that she instead “focused on reciting facts and scientific data, including statistics about gender minorities.”

Sadly, the eleventh-hour settlement robbed the public of what would no doubt have been an entertaining trial, and one to which their taxes will have contributed. But the details from this tribunal-that-never-was deserve to be aired and the lessons must be learned.

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-curious-incident-of-the-dog-and-the-tribunal/

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 08/08/2024 17:47

Jo Bartosch's article is hilarious.

“that using the pronoun ‘they’ to refer to one person was silly as it wasn’t grammatically correct.”

This latter point particularly upset the communications and marketing officer, who wrote in an email following the meeting:
I shut down and sat there silently, unable to respond to any of the rhetoric. I was shaking in disbelief, waiting for the meeting to finish – traumatised.

I would have found that hard to believe if I hadn't seen the tribunal tweets from Allison Bailley's case and Roz Adam's case. The dramatics and the disproportionate reactions to trivia go off the scale.

lcakethereforeIam · 16/09/2024 15:25

I see there's a new thread but I'm just putting this here to keep it all tidy like

https://archive.ph/QrRpT took feckin' ages to archive!

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/social-worker-wins-55000-in-row-over-colleagues-gender-fluid-dachshund-fxwfhf9h7

Mealy mouthed words of non-apology from KKK (sorry) CCC.

Lizzy sounds amazing. If I needed SS, I'd like someone like her who would advocate for me and take none of my crap.

Social worker wins £55,000 after row about gender-fluid dachshund

Lesbian member of council’s LGBTQ group wins discrimination case after she was disciplined for ‘transphobic’ opinions about co-worker’s dog

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/social-worker-wins-55000-in-row-over-colleagues-gender-fluid-dachshund-fxwfhf9h7

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2024 16:00

Oh fantastic! Well done Lizzy!

VerasMacAndHat · 16/09/2024 16:12

Hooray @LizzyPitt ! 🍾

Gagagardener · 16/09/2024 16:30

That's good news..

OvaHere · 16/09/2024 16:31

Great news. Well done @LizzyPitt

Billyballyboo · 16/09/2024 17:04

lcakethereforeIam · 16/09/2024 15:25

I see there's a new thread but I'm just putting this here to keep it all tidy like

https://archive.ph/QrRpT took feckin' ages to archive!

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/social-worker-wins-55000-in-row-over-colleagues-gender-fluid-dachshund-fxwfhf9h7

Mealy mouthed words of non-apology from KKK (sorry) CCC.

Lizzy sounds amazing. If I needed SS, I'd like someone like her who would advocate for me and take none of my crap.

I met her a few times. She really is amazing. So pleased for her.

FigRollsAlly · 16/09/2024 17:42

Congratulations to Lizzy! People who think the right to hold GC beliefs only goes as far as keeping them in your own head won’t be happy. That’s a significant sum of money too!

TrainedByCats · 16/09/2024 18:45

The archived article is taking an age to load so not read yet but good news on the damages. It can’t compensate for the stress this has been but hopefully Lizzy is able to use it for something nice.

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