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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Plaid Cymru manifesto

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ArabellaScott · 13/06/2024 14:25

Bits relevant to FWR:

Women

'Plaid Cymru support compensation for women who have been negatively impacted by the changes in pension provision, as highlighted by the Women Against State Pension Inequality campaign (WASPI).
We support compensation payments of at least Level 5 of the ombudsman scale for all 1950s women pensioners affected, amounting to between £3000 and £9950.
We have supported gender quotas as part of the reform of our Senedd, to ensure that women are ensured representation in decision making at the highest level in Wales.'

LGBTQ+

'Recent years have seen the Conservative UK Government attempt to sow division within society by creating a series of so-called culture wars which uses real people and real people’s lived experiences against them.
We believe that there should be the highest respect for all people and communities.
We reaffirm our commitment to ensure that LGBTQ+ voices and experiences are heard and will continue to actively promote LGBTQ+ rights. We will promote LGBTQ+ inclusion throughout society, including all workplaces and participation in sport, as part of a broader effort towards healthier lifestyle.
Plaid Cymru would end so-called conversion therapy practices related to sexuality and gender identity.
We are concerned by the rise of hate crimes in recent years perpetrated against the LGBTQ+ community, in particular transphobia, and need to see this tackled by our Police forces.
Similarly, as part of their community outreach efforts, we would expect the Police to be promoting positive, affirming and trust building links with all minority sections of societies e.g. attending local Pride events and community diversity events.
We will continue to fight for equality for trans people. Having secured recurrent funding for a Wales Gender Identity Clinic so that people can receive support here in Wales, rather than traveling to London, we will work to improve the provision and ensure timely access to its services and support.
Plaid Cymru will seek the powers to present the Senedd with a proposal for simplified, demedicalised gender self-identification system.'

https://www.partyof.wales/cydraddoldeb_equalities

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ArabellaScott · 13/06/2024 14:25

Prevention of Violence Against Women and Girls

Plaid Cymru recognises the scale and challenges of violence against women and girls and the need to prevent and reduce the harm that this causes.
There are great challenges in the criminal justice system to ensure that women and girls are believed, and that they get justice for crimes committed against them.
There is a need for specialist training and support officers around the issues of coercive control, stalking and an improved understanding of homicide risk.
We will work with Police and Crime Commissioners in Wales to further develop this support for women and girls.
The number of convictions for crimes against women and girls is very small. The Victims Commissioner could help increase the number of successful convictions of perpetrators, as part of a series of measures.
These include:

  • Create a Domestic Abuse Register to protect women is a means of preventing death and injury because it enables the early identification of abusive men. This would shift the responsibility away from the potential victims (as happens under Clare’s Law) and on to the authorities and the offender themselves.
  • Stop abusers further harassing their victims through court proceedings and strengthen restraining orders and sanctions for breaching them.
  • Following the recommendation of the Suzy Lamplugh Trust that there are specialist stalking training requirements for all professionals dealing with stalking cases, and a unified recording system to be used by the Police, the CPS, the Home Office, Ministry of Justice and National Probation Service to follow the journey of a victim of stalking through the criminal justice system.
  • Ensure that laws relating to sexual images are always based on consent rather than intent - to close loopholes that see perpetrators get away with abuse, and
  • Increasing sentences for domestic violence and stalking offences.
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ArabellaScott · 13/06/2024 14:25

Fairness for Women in Justice

'Plaid Cymru believes that women are not well served by our criminal justice system.
Women’s custodial sentences are served outside of Wales, with an impact upon travel time for the family, the provision of services in Welsh and a disconnect with their community.
Most women who serve custodial sentences are only in prison for a short period, which is less effective in reducing crime, but has substantial social impact.
We will focus on reducing crime through identifying the underlying reasons why women are involved in criminal behaviour and working with partners to resolve those issues, and review the effectiveness of short prison sentences for female offenders.
As part of this ongoing work to reduce crime, Plaid Cymru want to establish four community based women’s centres across Wales to support female offenders. We will work with Police and Crime Commissioners in Wales to deliver this, with one each in the north-west, north-east, south-west and south-east of the country.'

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WickedSerious · 13/06/2024 19:45

Yeah,that's every bit as bad as I expected it to be.

ArabellaScott · 13/06/2024 19:47

I assume an.attempt at self ID would be subject to whatever the Welsh equivalent of a section 35 is? For the same reasons as Westminster didn't allow the Scotgov to bring it in.

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AliceKyteler · 13/06/2024 19:58

This is why I can't vote for them.
I'm well aware of their funding for the "Wales gender identity clinic" absolutely horrific.

Redshoeblueshoe · 13/06/2024 20:03

So if TWAW then TW are also WASPI women.
I have no words

WickedSerious · 13/06/2024 20:10

ArabellaScott · 13/06/2024 19:47

I assume an.attempt at self ID would be subject to whatever the Welsh equivalent of a section 35 is? For the same reasons as Westminster didn't allow the Scotgov to bring it in.

Yes,although devolution in Wales is a lot more restricted than it is in Scotland so I'm not sure how it would work.

OldCrone · 14/06/2024 08:51

We will continue to fight for equality for trans people. Having secured recurrent funding for a Wales Gender Identity Clinic so that people can receive support here in Wales, rather than traveling to London, we will work to improve the provision and ensure timely access to its services and support.

Plaid Cymru will seek the powers to present the Senedd with a proposal for simplified, demedicalised gender self-identification system.

It always surprises me that apparently intelligent people can't see the disconnect between these two positions even when they appear right next to each other in the manifesto.

The first paragraph quoted above says that a Gender Identity Clinic is needed in Wales because so-called 'trans people' need specialist medical treatment.

The second paragraph says that recognition of so-called 'trans people' should be on the basis of self-declaration, with no medical treatment necessary.

They seem to think that this is a medical condition for the purposes of setting up a specialist clinic, but not a medical condition for the purposes of changing their identity.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/06/2024 09:03

AliceKyteler · 13/06/2024 19:58

This is why I can't vote for them.
I'm well aware of their funding for the "Wales gender identity clinic" absolutely horrific.

I didn’t know about this. Lord knows who I will vote for now.
Thank you OP for these helpful posts.

SirVixofVixHall · 14/06/2024 09:08

Also what do they mean by “in particular transphobia, and need to see this tackled by our Police Forces” … just what will this “tackling” consist of ?
How do they define “transphobia “ ?

WickedSerious · 14/06/2024 12:51

SirVixofVixHall · 14/06/2024 09:08

Also what do they mean by “in particular transphobia, and need to see this tackled by our Police Forces” … just what will this “tackling” consist of ?
How do they define “transphobia “ ?

Drakeford had plans to make Wales the most trans friendly country in the world,so I imagine it'll boil down to something like 'looking at him a bit funny'.

LittleTalkingMan · 14/06/2024 23:09

As a welsh woman, I would like promises to have the gynae surgery that I have waited since 2019 for! Of course women’s health in Wales is disgustingly underfunded.

Plaid are definitely not getting my vote

Myfluffyblanket · 15/06/2024 21:46

I quite enjoyed the heated exchange (regarding the definition of the word woman) I had with the last Plaid Cymru candidate who stood on my doorstep . I am too angry and disappointed now .
Like Redshoeblueshoe I have no words .

Abhannmor · 16/06/2024 07:43

Labour mp Gerald Kaufman described his party's 1983 manifesto as ' the longest suicide note in history'.

It has serious competition now.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 12:32

https://x.com/ITVWales/status/1802468756444045550

.@DavidTCDavies
asks@LSRPlaid
is she concerned about her party's policy on trans women people being able to share single-sex spaces and participate in same sex sports

She calls his questions 'hatred' and 'a distraction' and says self ID is 'our policy'.

x.com

https://x.com/ITVWales/status/1802468756444045550

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WickedSerious · 17/06/2024 12:35

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 12:32

https://x.com/ITVWales/status/1802468756444045550

.@DavidTCDavies
asks@LSRPlaid
is she concerned about her party's policy on trans women people being able to share single-sex spaces and participate in same sex sports

She calls his questions 'hatred' and 'a distraction' and says self ID is 'our policy'.

Keep talking Liz,we're all listening.

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 14:32

I heard exactly what she said.

She said: 'Women, fuck you'.

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OldCrone · 18/06/2024 18:53

ArabellaScott · 17/06/2024 12:32

https://x.com/ITVWales/status/1802468756444045550

.@DavidTCDavies
asks@LSRPlaid
is she concerned about her party's policy on trans women people being able to share single-sex spaces and participate in same sex sports

She calls his questions 'hatred' and 'a distraction' and says self ID is 'our policy'.

Wow. She actually said it's 'hatred' to care about vulnerable women.

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