Operation let them speak is working

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Oh dear it seems that the general public has started to wake up to the dangers of allowing men to falsify their birth certificate

Support for people's ability to change sex on birth certificate falls https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13519601/public-support-transgender-change-sex-birth-certificate.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

When reviewing the Hansard record and other published consultations from the time it was always about the "right" to falsify records and ignore the very problems we see today.

When you look back the records are very damning. They lied about an Act that enshrined a lie, shouldn't be surprised really.

Trouble is, surely, getting rid of the GRA seems an impossible dream and a million miles away. For one thing, it's not just a UK thing, this lunacy is in other countries too, and hence all this stuff about accepting GRCs from other countries. It would mean falling out with (and leaving) the ECHR, wouldn't it? I wouldn't say it's impossible (nothing is), but it'd take a bold, confident, radical government to crack on with it. I look at Keir Starmer, and I think, no chance.

Agree. Depressingly.

It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The protagonists escape, but then find out that the aliens are everywhere. 😱

Or you keep the GRC (even expand it) but basically it has no basis legally when it comes to access to female prisons, spaces anywhere really. its an acknowledgement of the inner truth of that person but since we don't base laws around inner truths sex is what matters. The only issue there is the changes in documentation (birth certificates etc) that the GRC currently triggers.

It doesn’t surprise me that someone would dismiss a lot of what’s happening as it’s too far out to be believable.

I assumed, for a long time, that the medical side of this must be okay as I assumed the NHS would only use medical procedures that were evidence based and where benefits and harms had been carefully weighed.

Before Isla Bryson opened everyone’s eyes, claims on Twix that there were intact male rapists in women’s prisons was dismissed as being impossible as nobody who is normal could easily believe in charge would do anything so stupid. I also found it unbelievable when I first heard it.

So much of this stuff is unbelievable and there are so many ways in which the authorities have been captured that it still beggars belief. Being able to just change the sex on your driving license and passport without any intervention or proof is almost more shocking than the birth certificate, which does at least require some input from professionals before it’s allowed.

When I was little, I sent away some cereal packet tops (remember doing that?) and got a badge indicating that I was a member of the Biggles Air Police. GRCs should be like that: have one if you wish, but it doesn't change anything important, like your birth certificate or marriage status.

They could have pink or blue ones with glitter or dinosaurs on to be extra gendery

I love this suggestion 😀

A close friend of mine has a ds who 'changed' gender when he was at university. She ordered a copy of his birth certificate before he had a chance to change it so that she could keep the record of his birth for herself. He doesn't know she has it. She had an emotional attachment to the experience of carrying him, birthing him and nurturing him as a little baby boy and she didn't want that to be legally taken away from her. She wanted the certificate to reflect the truth.

So we have a situation where there could now be 2 birth certificates for the same person, one saying he was born male and one saying he was born female. Also, presumably her medical records still show that she gave birth to a boy?

Funny old world.

Maybe Legoland could sort this one out. My son took a driving test there when he was 3 - I've still got his licence. He had to take another test when he was 17 though.

Isn't it just! So a person can effectively have 2 birth certificates. How convenient!

They have two sexes, both sexes in fact. One biological as is the way of the entire population of the planet planet, and the opposite sex they have in paper form only.

I can also imagine that more people have now come up against the ideology in real life. There's nothing quite like seeing it for yourself.

I think we have seen that it's possible with Hungary. Although ECHR is a Council of Europe convention, all EU states must sign the ECHR. Hungary is an EU member state, and yet Hungary amended its law a few years ago to not allow the change of legal sex.

As I'm not Hungarian, I haven't read this law and have only seen reports in English. They've had some issues with the EU, over this and also provisions relating to same-sex couples, but they're still members. The EU did freeze some funds that were meant to go to Hungary a while back, but that was about judicial reforms (it also happened to Poland) but then some of the funds were released.

I've been inspired to look up legislation in the state I've now been living in for seven years. It turns out the Gender Reassignment Act of 2000 (2000!!) allows people who have "undergone a gender reassignment procedure" to change their birth certificates.
Western Australia has a bit of a reputation, like maybe how you'd think of moving to Texas.

I had no idea.

Even the Tories have shied away from leaving the EHCR, so there is no way in hell Labour are going to do it. It's just too much bad publicity for too little gain.

Labour are watching the polls like hawks and behind the scenes they're rubbing their hands together with glee. They KNOW they're going to get a huge landslide on 4th July and that they don't have to do a damn thing on any of this gender stuff. So they're not going to waste political capital making promises they don't need to make on what, for many people, is a niche issue.

My bachelors degree identifies as a PhD.

This is exactly what I meant in my previous post. What about the mother's rights? (No one cares about those obviously).
It's mad.

I hope she is keeping that in a very safe place.

My GCSEs identity as A* and my A Levels as A. I also got a distinction in my grade 3 clarinet, the pass on my certificate is my dead grade

A very frightening line is crossed when a state passes laws to allow official records to be falsified. That’s getting into Kafka territory. It removes one of the central supports of democracy, the expectation of honesty. Even while recognising that individuals may lie, actually building a lie into the structure weakens the whole thing.

Yes, so true, that. ⬆

It's becoming apparent just how far the ripples spread out into the world, when you allow one person to legally falsify a document/ status.

Parents, especially mothers (as they gave birth) have their lived experience erased/rewritten.

As others have said, medical records will be missing - some people have been given a new NHS no upon transistion so their entire medical history is 'dead' unless they choose to disclose it, putting them at risk.

I've seen on the transwidows thread women talk about having a marriage certificate showing they married a man, but their decree absolute has a woman's name on it when they didn't marry a woman.

State sanctioned gaslighting.

I have every sympathy for someone who feels extremely distressed that their sex doesn't match their perceived gender, but they don't live their life in a vacuum. We aren't players in a computer game. We are part of couples, families and society and those relationships can't just be erased.

Indeed, many of us feel great empathy for people suffering gender dysphoria, which is a debilitating mental illness responsible for significant suffering. But I just don’t see how legislation that encourages the illness is beneficial or compassionate to those people. Laws that also make it easier for men who know exactly what they’re doing to inflict their sexual behaviour on women and girls.

Good for her. I would keep a photocopy somewhere separately too.