Scared and disheartened today

[teawamutu]

The Rosie Duffield interview in the Times, the commitment to make GRCs easier to get in Labour's manifesto, all the sneering about culture wars, the Tories doing SO bloody badly...

It feels like we're about to lose all the ground we fought so hard to regain, let alone the potential advances that just won't happen now.

If it does come up, and if Labour's behaviour over the past week is anything to go by I think we can expect their response to be along the lines of: 'distraction..... toxic ..... culture war.'

I don't think it's possible to be any more pissed off with them than I am right now. But then I've not seen their manifesto yet...

Ah yes. Just saw your post as I've responded on that thread a couple of times.

Things can only get better, surely?! 😬😩

I hate that song!

Me too, actually. Never was much of a fan (sorry, Brian, I prefer your science stuff!).

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Yeah we would become like Canada with Labour.

I don't think it is going to get that bad for two reasons.

1. the Cass Review changes things. Not so much the politics but the insurance implications for the NHS. This creates a ripple effect. It's impossible to ignore if your priority is to 'save the nhs'. Compensation outgoings are astronomical and a key concern if we talk about budgets.

2. there is an election in Canada new year. The results there, I think may give Labour pause for thought as I think this is a bigger issue in North America in political priorities amongst average voters.

3. parliament won't really sit again until September now. That gives 13 months until that Canadian election. Labour are going to be busy with all the other priorities on their list. Is it a priority or is it not a priority for Labour? If it's genuinely regarded as niche then it won't get time in particular in the first year. If it's more of a priority then even then because of the length of time it takes to get anything through parliament...

I definitely am concerned all the same. But not Canada levels of concern.

The far Left Corbynistas are not giving up without a very nasty fight.

And how utterly lovely for lefty men - forced for the last30 years or so to face the fact that they’re part of the oppression of women - to be able to call women witches again.

Just so lovely.

Yes I'm hopeful that the gains made cannot just be thrown out the window with a Labour Government. I guess it's almost certain they will win but could we end up with some sort of coalition with deals and placating? Thinking how SNP were being dictated to by a bunch of loons is an awful position. Also has the hold Stonewall achieved been weakened as much as I hope it has?

Left wing corbynists are still going to have a hard time unravelling the multiple implications of Cass and various court cases.

We still have a number of rulings to land before any new government gets to do much too.

To change the law in conternance to these rulings is a politically perilous thing to do. Even pro-trans MPs will be aware of this. Judges make rulings based on the law and concepts of reasonableness and fairness. They are carefully worded. You are playing a dangerous game to try and undo that and to prove that the judges ruling is so unfair the law needs changing.

And MPs tend to put their own political careers ahead of everything else. With that in mind, ask yourself what is the benefit for many MPs to be hardliners over the issue?

I really hope so @RedToothBrush i really hope so.

But the treatment of Rosie Duffield, who is rational and reasonable and not a bigot, is very depressing.

And institutions such as universities and arts and culture and the NHS are all so captured in many areas (although not universally thank goodnesss).

But look at the rubbish being reported about Exeter university today.

My uni is more than captured on the back of ‘values’ (inclusion, diversity etc) and how that coincides with Athena Swann etc.

The pronoun pledge was also announced as part of Pride month, but so far quite low key.

My DC see pronouns so simply ie it’s just being respectful. Seems such a Pandora’s box to try to explain that being forced to pretend someone is a different sex than from what they are is compelled speech. Even and especially when that person isn’t even present! Such a powerful act.

^ this

I've been a lefty liberal all voting life but I'm going to feel very uncomfortable with a lefty government because I feel the gender issue plus all the shit in schools is just so far out of step with certain core values.

I'm wincing at what is to come.

I'm a lefty hippy liberal by inclination and history. I'm not at all enthusiastic about the incoming labour government or their policies, I wish I was!
Getting rid of this fuck-awful exhausted and hollowed-out tory government is a good move for the UK, in my opinion.
In spite of my rather low opinion on the labour leader and the shameful way he's treated Rosie Duffield etc etc, I still hope for a labour government.
The worst possible outcome for me would be 3rd place Tory + 2nd place Reform coalition stitch up and they would jump at that chance, no doubt about it. Farage for deputy PM then PM within a year. I'll stop now, I'm getting scared and slightly depressed even imagining that.