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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scared and disheartened today

141 replies

teawamutu · 08/06/2024 12:39

The Rosie Duffield interview in the Times, the commitment to make GRCs easier to get in Labour's manifesto, all the sneering about culture wars, the Tories doing SO bloody badly...

It feels like we're about to lose all the ground we fought so hard to regain, let alone the potential advances that just won't happen now.

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ThreeWordHarpy · 08/06/2024 19:17

BezMills · 08/06/2024 19:04

Farage who got his first city job straight out of school after a cosy chat with his dad's golf buddy. He has played a blinder pretending he's not a standard posho old boy's club nepotism baby.

Yes, and he’s been so successful selling the “man of the people who likes a pint and tells it like it is” act.

I think there’s a case to be made that he’s the most influential politician of the 21st century so far, mainly for running rings around Cameron and stirring up the Brexiter Tories. Which all the more remarkable considering he’s never been elected to the Westminster parliament.

Anyway, I could imagine he’d take a GC position - from the misogynist/patriarchal angle that men are men and women are women and it’s “not woke” to say so.

God help us if we’re going to rely on him to prevent Labour going full self-id once in power.

NoWordForFluffy · 08/06/2024 19:20

The Reform candidate here answered my Sex Matters questions very thoughtfully, actually, and was supportive. He's not getting my vote though!

BezMills · 08/06/2024 19:20

He's not GC, he thinks gender is GRATE because it keeps women in their place

ResisterRex · 08/06/2024 19:23

BezMills · 08/06/2024 19:20

He's not GC, he thinks gender is GRATE because it keeps women in their place

Isn't this the point where the (extreme?) left and right meet?

BezMills · 08/06/2024 19:27

There's a nice Venn diagram somewhere

SinnerBoy · 08/06/2024 20:29

I haven't been able to find out if my MP (Alan Campbell) is GC or GI, despite quite a bit of Googling. I think he'll get in again with his majority.

I could never ever bring myself to vote Tory, so unless there's an SDP candidate (I don't think so - none mentioned when I looked a few weeks ago) I'll be spoiling my ballot with an explanation for Starmer.

If so, I'll email Campbell to explain, he was actually very helpful to us a few years ago, when my wife was stateless.

Boiledbeetle · 08/06/2024 20:31

I've just seen my choices of candidates.

I'm just off to bang my head against a brick wall for a while!

But the one thing I do know I'm not voting Labour, my Labour candidate has spent the last year refusing to speak to me! I'm sure the candidate will once again send their lackeys down my road to knock rather than coming themselves.

PickAChew · 08/06/2024 21:01

I think yesterday was the deadline, @SinnerBoy and we now have an SDP candidate on our list. Mary Foy is our MP and I couldn't find out anything about her, the last time I looked.

blibblibs · 08/06/2024 21:03

Miriam Cates is my local candidate, I so wish she wasn't a Tory 😔

PickAChew · 08/06/2024 21:07

Had another look. Definitely not voting for her. She's nailed her colours to the mast in the last year.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/06/2024 21:08

When people say "it's not as important as XYZ", I wonder where their line is. If a party was saying all the right things about NHS, education, social services, support for those in poverty etc, but also intended to legalise slavery would that cross their line? I hope so.

What about banning [insert XYZ religion]? Would that be too much?

How about banning competitive sports? Or even just football? Would we be ok with losing football as the price of getting a government that will hopefully restart real investment in society?

Crazy right? No one would ever accept that.

And yet we are supposed to consider it reasonable to lose the literal definition of every single person who currently believes herself to be a woman because of her body, and with that the loss of any rights, voice or political identity based on the fact of our sex.

SnakesAndArrows · 08/06/2024 21:18

FarmCFer · 08/06/2024 16:17

I’m so torn. Never EVER thought I would vote Tory. I work for the NHS and the damage they have done is going to take years to recover from…
But I just can’t vote for Labour when they have this stance.

You surely aren’t going to vote Tory, though? They don’t really care about women’s rights and they will usher in the US healthcare system simply by doing nothing.

Spoiled ballot? Vote for the next biggest party in your constituency?

PickAChew · 08/06/2024 21:19

Now thankful that I'm not in the constituency that Rod Liddle is contending.

SinnerBoy · 08/06/2024 21:21

I didn't know that that wanker was standing for Parliament. What's his manifesto? Make like Kazakhstan and decriminalise domestic violence?

NoWordForFluffy · 08/06/2024 21:21

I wish I had a PoW candidate, @SinnerBoy.

TheaBrandt · 08/06/2024 21:24

Surely there has been too much sunlight now with the Cass report and what happened in Scotland? Women have woken up.

RhannionKPSS · 08/06/2024 21:37

Join your local WRN as they are doing a lot of research & work about the parties.

ArabellaScott · 08/06/2024 21:45

FlirtsWithRhinos · 08/06/2024 21:08

When people say "it's not as important as XYZ", I wonder where their line is. If a party was saying all the right things about NHS, education, social services, support for those in poverty etc, but also intended to legalise slavery would that cross their line? I hope so.

What about banning [insert XYZ religion]? Would that be too much?

How about banning competitive sports? Or even just football? Would we be ok with losing football as the price of getting a government that will hopefully restart real investment in society?

Crazy right? No one would ever accept that.

And yet we are supposed to consider it reasonable to lose the literal definition of every single person who currently believes herself to be a woman because of her body, and with that the loss of any rights, voice or political identity based on the fact of our sex.

It's the lying.

It's suggesting we can lie just about this one thing because it makes some men happy. Even though it adversely affects women.

It's the lying and the sexism.

ArabellaScott · 08/06/2024 21:45

And the abandoning of children.

SinnerBoy · 08/06/2024 22:01

NoWordForFluffy · Today 21:21

I wish I had a PoW candidate

To be honest, we also have an independent, I voted for him in the mayoral election, but he didn't get in - Kim McGuinness did.

FarmCFer · 08/06/2024 22:03

SnakesAndArrows · 08/06/2024 21:18

You surely aren’t going to vote Tory, though? They don’t really care about women’s rights and they will usher in the US healthcare system simply by doing nothing.

Spoiled ballot? Vote for the next biggest party in your constituency?

Ooh. Yes definitely one of the latter two options. Though I live in a very staunchly labour area.

ThreeWordHarpy · 08/06/2024 22:19

BezMills · 08/06/2024 19:27

There's a nice Venn diagram somewhere

This one? Grin

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PickAChew · 08/06/2024 22:28

I used to vote for the second party in my constituency. Lib dems 😞 and they're far from deposit losers, here.