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Victoria McCloud Telegraph Article

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Nomnomnew · 04/06/2024 14:43

Name changed for this. I have just seen a post on LinkedIn from Victoria McCloud referring to an interview in the telegraph. I can’t believe this claim/ quote from the former judge:

Speaking to The Telegraph after her Financial interview, she said: “As an anatomical, endocrinological and legal woman whose birth registration is female, I am as at risk of rape and assault as any woman and efforts to place me in isolation in hospital or force me to use male spaces are no more than blind prejudice.”’

I find it exceptionally offensive that a trans woman would claim such a thing - as if rapists are checking birth certificates/ GRCs! The mind boggles that anyone would think this is an appropriate thing to say/ claim.

The full article is here, though paywalled.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/03/first-transgender-judge-hits-out-trans-hostile-conspiracy/

First transgender judge hits out at ‘trans-hostile’ conspiracy theories

Victoria McCloud calls on employers to do more to combat workplace prejudice

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/03/first-transgender-judge-hits-out-trans-hostile-conspiracy/

OP posts:
ArabellaScott · 05/06/2024 19:26

FlirtsWithRhinos · 05/06/2024 18:06

As men they have the weight of patriachy endorsing their view of reality over that of actual women, in this case their view that they are "women" or at least should be allowed to live "women's lives". To that degree yes, they are the epitome of patriachy, forcing women to support men's needs to the degree of even overwriting our own understanding of ourselves with his.

They are also going to be seen by many men within patriachy as lesser because they are adopting "femininity" over masculinity.

I'm not trying to plead a case for them or suggesting the two cancel each other out, just recognsing that a man can be an awful human being to women and still suffer at the hands of men.

Edited

I was reading recently about how sexist men are virtually entirely focussed on their role in relation to other men - the hierarchy of masculinity. To these men, women are just sort of shadowy others, not part of the human race at all, really. In this worldview, women are just placeholders, terra nullis, sex objects.

I think it was in relation to incels, I'll see if I can find the reference.

ArabellaScott · 05/06/2024 19:29

Okay, I need to wind that back a bit! It was a study from 2015, and some of the assertions I made were my own inferences, apologies:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5038366-men-who-harass-women-are-low-status-males

'"Low-status males that have the most to lose due to a hierarchical reconfiguration are responding to the threat female competitors pose," the researchers, from the University of New South Wales and the Miami University in Ohio, write. "High-status males with the least to fear were more positive."

In Halo 3, players are anonymous and only interact with each other by voice a few times during the game. Most Halo players are men.
When performing poorly, players increased negative statements toward women and submissive statements toward the men who were winning.
"As men often rely on aggression to maintain their dominant social status, the increase in hostility towards a woman by lower-status males may be an attempt to disregard a female's performance," the researchers write.'

Men who harass women are 'low status' males | Mumsnet

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33613781 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33613781]] I found this fascinating. 'Two research...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5038366-men-who-harass-women-are-low-status-males

wizardofsoz · 06/06/2024 10:12

You're right, OP, it's deeply insulting and obviously wrong. McCloud has given evidence in writing to support the suspicion that transgender ideology and delusional belief are linked. For that I'm very grateful.

GoodHeavens99 · 06/06/2024 17:35

lcakethereforeIam · 05/06/2024 09:55

When, I hope after a long life, the judge dies and is buried, should their bones be unearthed in ten, a hundred or a thousand years the skeleton will be then, as it is now, unmistakably male.

By Owen Hurcum's descendants.

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