BBC at it again withholding fact ‘woman’ charged with murdering husband is trans

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You know what to do Mumsnet. BBC apologised previously because of mass complaints about sick cat killer Scarlett Blake not being referred to as trans and just being referred to as she / woman in original article. They’re now at it again.

this person arrested for killing husband with samurai sword.

bbc article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

daily mail article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480347/amp/Trans-woman-70-appears-court-accused-murdering-husband-samurai-sword.html

complain and let’s get a precedent set, these are not our crimes!

I don't think it's a Mummy at all. 🤔

"As I stated earlier the government makes the laws in this land. They pass ones we don't like all the time. I've no idea why they can't just lay down the law, say this is how it is and end this horrendous feud and dragging the whole male population down with it."

But this would make transgender people unhappy in their own skin surely? What are you going to do about it? Because .....Be KIND.

YOU see how this is a never ending request?

Hiya.

You're going to have to explain to me what a trans female is and what a trans man is because now I am completely lost.

@Mummy2024

Most of us started off thinking what harm does it do? It's a tiny, tiny number of people deeply unhappy with the body they are in. We were kind, we played along with the charade. We let the handful of people with gender dysphoria so severe that they went through brutal surgery use the ladies loos and pretended we didn't notice that they were trans.

We said what harm can it do?

Then we noticed the harm. We discovered that IamSarah was told that despite there being a male group and a trans group and an anyone that identified as female group that she couldn't ask for a born female only group at a rape support centre.

We found that males identified as women and entered changing rooms with their male bodies on display (and happily so if you get my meaning).

We learned that trans doesn't just mean what used to be called transexuals but also those that used to be called transvestites - many of whom admit they get a sexual thrill from dressing as women. And those who only identify as a woman some of the time.

We saw violent men being locked up in women's prisons, with women.

We saw men win woman of the year awards and become women's officers.

We heard about the woman who was raped in an NHS hospital ward and was told she was lying because there wasn't a man there (spoiler there was).

And so one by one, incident by incident we realised what harm it can do so we stopped being kind and we got really rather angry.

You make being a woman sound so terrible, I actually enjoy being one.... maybe that's why I don't feel like you do. I don't suffer gender based discrimination, I don't have all the childcare to bare, I'm in an equal partnership in my marriage. The cleaning I'm definitely disadvantaged 😆 but you can't have it all.

Yes I've suffered at one point at the hands of someone bigger and male but that isn't the males populations fault, it was one males fault. It also isn't trans people's fault so why should they suffer? Live in misery, possibly take their own lives to make some women who arnt happy in life feel better?

We're never going to agree and your resorting to derogatory personalised attack language at this point, which says alot...

Life is what you make it.... you can be happy without making others miserable.

Done.
Submitted an online complaint for factual inaccuracy

"you make being a woman sound so terrible...."

The point is, that being a woman IS terrible for a lot of women all over the world.

PURELY because they are women.

Because you cannot identify out of your biology, OR identify INTO one.

I think I'm nearing bowing out of this discussion TBH.

As I say I understand that there needs to be change, in the law but we are now talking about my refusal to make another human being miserable and call them what I want instead of what they would like to be named by. Addressing them on a personal level how they would like to be addressed does not make any difference to the sport/toilet or criminal law level.

They are two different issues and apparently my refusal to comply with the will of the "feminists" means I don't care about woman lol 😆. I very much laugh at this sentiment as I care about everyone equally and I am a defender of equality which is exactly why my views regarding the above issues has changed considerably since the issues were raised.

I think you may well be right @Annanirvana

And I consider myself to be a defender of reality, sanity, safety, dignity and fairness.

This makes absolutely zero sense. How are all men getting “trashed and bashed” and in what debate?

So now I have no gender identity??? You get better and better. I am a woman and happy one... I hope you find some happiness, i absolutely love being a wife and mother and i have suffered more than you can ever comprehend.

Resorting to personal attacks has really lowered the tone for me, I was really hoping I could carry on having constructive conversations on this thread and then you just had to get angry and make it personal.

Pigeon chess is all I’m saying

Because the conversation always turns into how woman are abused and discriminated against by "men". Not "some men" just "men" and the conversation is actually about transgender people, yet suddenly it's all about how the woman are the victims of "men"

How would woman feel if men went viral saying all "woman" are discriminatory abusers?

But men have demanded to be allowed in to women's sports because 'they are women' and their 'evidence' that they are is people call them by a female name and female pronouns.
If we give an inch we give a mile. Every time we declare that there is a line in the sand and this is where it must stop the line is crossed. If we do the 'kind' bit our kindness is seen as consent or weakness. If we say we will call you Helen and let you join the reading group and use the loo but no more we are told to 'choke on their ladydick' or 'die in a grease fire'. This is who we are being 'unkind' to the people who have driven women out of their jobs, left them without rape counseling, or DV refuges or a public toilet they can use.

I think they'd calmly point to the statistics that show otherwise.
Which brings us back to where we started.

@Mummy2024, re: "I don't suffer gender based discrimination" and* *"we are now talking about my refusal to make another human being miserable and call them what I want instead of what they would like to be named by".

Do you drive? There's a group of people who are 47% more likely to be seriously injured in a car crash, and 71% more likely to be moderately injured: members of that group are also 17% more likely to die. That's because cars are safety-tested based on the body-type of another group. Unfortunately, we don't have words to describe those groups any more, because using them makes some people "miserable".

Do you hope that, if you have issues with your heart in future, you'll be treated as effectively as possible? There's a group of people who are 76% less likely to die if they're given an advanced pacemaker. Unfortunately, guidelines state that group won't receive that treatment. That's because the parameters for receiving the treatment are tested based on the body-type of another group. Unfortunately, we don't have words to describe those groups any more, because using them makes some people "miserable".

Do you still believe "I don't suffer gender based discrimination" and softening a transwoman's misery is more important than having a word to describe the group to which you belong? Because members of that group are already dying in their thousands because they're not deemed important enough to be recognised in research. Do you still believe they shouldn't be recognised in language either? Do you think this will solve the research issue, or make it worse? Save lives or kill more?

I won't help to normalise language that contributes to disproportionate death rates in the group to which I belong.

Yes apparently agreeing that woman should have some rights protected in law whilst also thinking that we can be kind to people who are abit different in life makes me a fool.... arnt I terrible.

I think we should probably stop, I didn't actually mean to carry this on so long and wish I hadn't at this point lol. I hope a change in the law comes soon to solve the legitimate concerns.

"So now I have no gender identity??? You get better and better. I am a woman and happy one... I hope you find some happiness, i absolutely love being a wife and mother and i have suffered more than you can ever comprehend.

Resorting to personal attacks has really lowered the tone for me, I was really hoping I could carry on having constructive conversations on this thread and then you just had to get angry and make it personal."

WHERE the actual HELL did I say that?
Honestly, you are just making shit up as you go along.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Where did I make it personal?

You are reading things that are not there.

If you want to stop, that's fine. I imagine others will continue to discuss women's rights on this thread, on this feminist board.

I want to respond but if I do I will never stop and this needs to stop. It's desended into personal territory which is a shame because as I say I have been intrigued and gained some understanding Into people's thoughts on the issue.

Thanks to every person that provided constructive debate it was really appreciated.

thinking that we can be kind to people who are abit different in life

Lying to people isn't kind.

There doesn't need to be a change in the law. EHRC laws have sex, female/woman as a protected characteristic and are entitled to single sex spaces and jobs. Gender reassignment can be considered individually, but it was meant for those with a GRC, who have transitioned fully. There was no guarantee to take women's rights away. The rules have been and are being broken everyday by all manner of organisations and people. Hopefully that won't continue for much longer. Intact men who self identify as "women" do not have the legal right to enter women's spaces.
Go on, give us a final lol , "Mummy".

You don't need to have had surgery or take hormones to get a GRC.