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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Puberty blockers banned from All providers

94 replies

impossibletoday · 29/05/2024 20:43

https://x.com/VictoriaAtkins/status/1795887781622714675?t=Yh8Jn6ymRC1FqjRjXH1ihw&s=19

legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024/727/…

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Datun · 29/05/2024 23:25

If labour don't carry on the ban, they're going to have to face a lot of questions as to why not. Which is going to be tricky in light of the Cass report.

The good thing now is the era of no debate is well and truly over.

So they are going to be held accountable no matter what they decide.

Apollo441 · 29/05/2024 23:30

Thingybob · 29/05/2024 23:22

They will still make money from children even if the ban does becomes permanent as it will not apply to those already being prescribed PB. The number of children currently being 'treated' by GGP, according to online sources, is somewhere between 1000 -1200

The ban on puberty blockers applies in ALL circumstances for overseas providers. The only exception is for those already being supplied by a UK provider.

Helleofabore · 29/05/2024 23:35

i hope it will force debate though, wouldn’t it be grand to get a vote (not a whipped vote) to make this usage of the drugs permanently banned.

Alas, like others I hold little hope.

Thingybob · 29/05/2024 23:35

Apollo441 · 29/05/2024 23:30

The ban on puberty blockers applies in ALL circumstances for overseas providers. The only exception is for those already being supplied by a UK provider.

Thanks I was just reading up on what Hannah Barnes had posted and I agree you are correct.

In which case I am very frightened for the children who have been cheered on and indoctrinated for many years to believe medical transition is their only option.

redalex261 · 29/05/2024 23:36

Does this ban only apply to the next 3 months and then automatically revert to the current legal status or does it require the incoming health minister to actually do something at the end of 3 months?

Will they have to either table legislation to implement a longer term ban? Or proactively do something to say the ban is lifted and prescribing can recommence as before?

If this emergency action means they have to actually make a decision one way or another it would be very difficult to sell lifting the ban to the general public. My concern is they are able to just quietly do nothing and allow prescriptions to recommence thus appeasing the TRAs. Hopefully enough press can be generated to make quiet inaction politically impossible for him/her.

Boiledbeetle · 29/05/2024 23:44

Datun · 29/05/2024 23:25

If labour don't carry on the ban, they're going to have to face a lot of questions as to why not. Which is going to be tricky in light of the Cass report.

The good thing now is the era of no debate is well and truly over.

So they are going to be held accountable no matter what they decide.

It will be a nice fuck you leaving present from the Conservatives if Labour get in.

Labour, having been forced to accept the Cass Report, are going to look like child abusers to either side. And which do you want to piss off least once you are in power? The group that are happily sterilizing themselves and advocating for sterilizing children or the parents of children who probably don't want their 12 year olds to be rendered infertile by the time they are adults?

Either way Kier would actually have to use proper words and not his usual weasel ones to explain his decision.

Mulloffuckintyre · 30/05/2024 00:15

“The Secretary of State for Health and Social Care and the Minister for Health, acting jointly, make the following Order in exercise of the powers conferred by sections 62 and 129(5) of the Medicines Act 1968(a), it appearing to them to be necessary to do so in the interests of safety, and their being of the opinion that it is essential to make the Order with immediate effect to avoid serious danger to health.“

the fact that the ban has come into force at all is amazing news. It will automatically lapse come September. However, this order is the Secretary of State for health and minister for health both saying that it’s essential to ban them to avoid serious danger to health. Any new minister/secretary of state who stands by and lets it lapse without scrutiny or justification will be partly culpable for any subsequent harm done to children.

possibly more importantly it will mean something to the on-the-fence part of the population who prior to the Cass Report assumed that of course there was no serious danger to children from nhs prescribed meds. Now we know there actually is a danger, it’s a very different position to be in.

another bonus is that parents whose children might have started down this road are now going to think a lot, lot harder about that decision.

Any person in the public eye who has jumped on the pro-trans-agenda bandwagon is probably going to stay very quiet about it from now on. We can all see from the infected blood scandal what might happen in the future. No one wants to be on that side of history, especially a celebrity or politician.

clampdown · 30/05/2024 02:27

I’m in NZ - so maybe unduly pessimistic given what has happened here - this is fantastic news but I would be very nervous about it surviving a change of government.

Though the UK was always far better served than we were by a small number of authoritative people prepared to push back on gender ideology and perhaps ‘no debate’ really has been closed down.

I guess it comes down to how captured institutions are still. It would be devastating, not just for the UK but for people in countries like NZ and Australia, who have managed to get some traction off the Cass Reports findings.

AlisonDonut · 30/05/2024 05:13

They will just invent a new diagnosis that isn't gender dysphoria or incongruence.

These have been used off book in the first place, it would have been better to legislate that they are only used for approved purposes rather than ban for specific non approved purposes.

I am over the moon about this but I just don't trust the NHS or the private providers as far as I can throw them.

DrudgeJedd · 30/05/2024 11:20

GailBlancheViola · 29/05/2024 21:39

I bet the Fox Killer is incandescent and planning yet another trawl of funding from the gullible for yet another lost case.

As night follows day...
Who on earth is still funding this grifter? His first tweet of the day

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Apollo441 · 30/05/2024 11:35

DrudgeJedd · 30/05/2024 11:20

As night follows day...
Who on earth is still funding this grifter? His first tweet of the day

They exist in a parallel universe. Nothing will shift their world view. They need to be ignored.

AjayJones · 30/05/2024 11:41

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mitogoshi · 30/05/2024 12:09

I hope they haven't forgotten the true use of these medications - precocious puberty. I hope that whoever drafted this rule hasn't messed up life for those who need these meds, typically those with certain genetic conditions

AjayJones · 30/05/2024 12:10

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Topofthemountain · 30/05/2024 12:18

He's such a liar, and again only focused on those with a male body.

DSDaisy · 30/05/2024 12:30

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Apollo441 · 30/05/2024 12:32

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They won't be able to fulfill prescriptions for puberty blockers from overseas GPs.

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 12:33

Apollo441 · 30/05/2024 11:35

They exist in a parallel universe. Nothing will shift their world view. They need to be ignored.

I could never ignore Jolyon. He simply makes me laugh too much.

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anyolddinosaur · 30/05/2024 12:39

Ministers have to consult an appropriate committee (definition will be in the Act) before a permanent ban can be imposed. I would hope now the NHS has come to its senses that they will recommend a permanent ban to the incoming government minister. They will also have to listen to representations from the makers of the drugs - I dont think the LibDems are still being funded by them.

SofaThrow · 30/05/2024 12:46

WallaceinAnderland · 29/05/2024 22:52

I'm not convinced Labour would reinstate it. Easier and less hassle for them to allow the ban to continue.

I don't think so. It will last only 3 months and then business as usual...

CocoapuffPuff · 30/05/2024 12:49

How long, typically, are youngsters actually on puberty blockers for?
Is it months or years? Do they swap PBs for cross sex hormones, or are they prescribed together?

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AlisonDonut · 30/05/2024 13:15

CocoapuffPuff · 30/05/2024 12:49

How long, typically, are youngsters actually on puberty blockers for?
Is it months or years? Do they swap PBs for cross sex hormones, or are they prescribed together?

Prescribing Puberty Blockers as they are commonly known is OFF BOOK.

So they could prescribe them for a day, a month, a year or for many, many years. That's the point. There is NO standard. There is NO follow up. There is NO data.

Apollo441 · 30/05/2024 13:40

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Anyone on PBs being seen by CAMHS will still get them. Just no new patients. But TRAs are already losing their shit.