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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR & the Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht

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CantDealwithChristmas · 29/05/2024 08:02

So The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht book is out tomorrow (I have pre-ordered) and The Times today includes an extract from JK's chapter in which she lays out with searing honesty why she decided to speak out about the issue, and how the subsequent online monstering felt.

I don't know how to paste a paywall free link but this is the actual one: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-stand-up-women-trans-book-r6jlglpvq

I raised a wry smile at this part:

"People who’d worked with me rushed to distance themselves from me or to add their public condemnation of my blasphemous views (though I should add that many former and current colleagues have been staunchly supportive). In truth, the condemnation of certain individuals was far less surprising to me than the fact that some of them then emailed me, or sent messages through third parties, to check that we were still friends."

Can't help but wonder if it's Radcliff or Watson she's referring to here!

Who else has the book on pre-order and what are we looking forward to most about it?

JK Rowling: Why I decided to stand up for women

In exclusive extracts from a new book The Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht, the Harry Potter author, a broken-hearted mother and a former prison governor tell the inside story of their fight for rights

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-stand-up-women-trans-book-r6jlglpvq

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Boiledbeetle · 29/05/2024 23:25

FrancescaContini · 29/05/2024 23:10

I’ve just received an email to say my copy is on its way!

😫😫😫 I haven't!

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 07:56

Mine should be arriving today. That's the weekend's reading sorted! Then my brother wants to borrow it. He's gay, and in the past few years has gone from full-on pro trans/the T belongs to the LGB to full on male terf as it's become painfully obvious how much the T takes from his rights and his visibility. I like to think I've had a good influence!

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Boiledbeetle · 30/05/2024 07:59

Mine is sat in a delivery depot waiting to be loaded onto the delivery van which may turn up any time before 11pm tonight.

But at least it's finally on its way.

Drums fingers
Looks out of window
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Looks out of window
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Looks out of window

Urghhhhhh

Hurry up Amazon!!

TheaBrandt · 30/05/2024 08:12

Pre ordered on Amazon audible - friend who wrote a book asked us to buy it on Amazon as that’s where they get their ratings or something though I normally support the local book shop this is an exception

GreenShady · 30/05/2024 08:27

@TheaBrandt How did you find it on Audible?

TheaBrandt · 30/05/2024 08:34

Just the search function on audible not available until 6 June

LilyBartsHatShop · 30/05/2024 08:34

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/05/2024 12:36

Wanting to know who it was isn't half as childish as actually doing that. Did they engage a single brain cell? (Rhetorical question - of course they didn't. )

Their canned responses will have been written by comms people, who got their degrees at sandstone institutions and small liberal arts colleges in the U.S.A. I don't think Radcliffe or Grint will have had any idea what they were saying, only that all their people were telling them they had to say it. I can well imagine them having scripted public communications and personal private communications that are completely at odds. Watson is possibly an exception, she seems to have taken the idea of being a feminist seriously and I hope wasn't just getting other people to write all those speeches for her.

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 08:48

LilyBartsHatShop · 30/05/2024 08:34

Their canned responses will have been written by comms people, who got their degrees at sandstone institutions and small liberal arts colleges in the U.S.A. I don't think Radcliffe or Grint will have had any idea what they were saying, only that all their people were telling them they had to say it. I can well imagine them having scripted public communications and personal private communications that are completely at odds. Watson is possibly an exception, she seems to have taken the idea of being a feminist seriously and I hope wasn't just getting other people to write all those speeches for her.

I'd like to believe this, but the fact that Radcliffe and Watson were given the chance to soften their anti-JKR stance and instead doubled down, makes me think that they are sincere in their views.

Although 'sincere' is probably the wrong word since A List celebs do not typically indulge in critical thinking - it's dangerous for them to stand outside of the bein pensant Hollywood hive mind, which is very pro trans. I mean, some celebs can do it, eg Dave Chapelle and Ricky Gervais, but critical thinking and contrarianism is part of their brand. Plus, they are awesomely gifted, so they don't 'need' the approval of the machine. They will always have an audience.

For Radcliffe and Watson, highly privileged individuals with no particularly notable talent for acting, engaging their brains and going against the grain would be very dangerous for their future careers and celeb status. So their financial interests cause them to be sincere in their TRA stance - or at least, it causes them to think they are sincere, which comes to the same thing from a public stand point.

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burnoutbabe · 30/05/2024 08:53

Have pre-reserved from local library.

They only seem to have ordered one copy across whole sw London borough!

Hopefully more will reserve. The blurb seems to put it down as about Scottish politics.

JustSpeculation · 30/05/2024 08:55

Mine appeared in my Kindle overnight and I almost missed my station commuting into work today.....

PoochiesPinkEars · 30/05/2024 09:05

CantDealwithChristmas · 29/05/2024 09:17

I know it's a bit childish but I'm desperate to know who condemned her in public and then sent an email to ask if they were still friends!

Me too, though I am more interested in what her response was. 😁 Silence? Something pithy?

Noshowlomo · 30/05/2024 09:09

Oh amazing. I’ll be ordering

CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 09:09

PoochiesPinkEars · 30/05/2024 09:05

Me too, though I am more interested in what her response was. 😁 Silence? Something pithy?

I think it was probably Radcliffe who sent the email as he did an interview recently saying that he still regarded JKR as a 'friend'.

I like to think he sent a cowardly email shortly after Cass which was met with icy silence, and shortly thereafter she made that tweet about not forgiving him and Watson.

The timeline would make sense.

QUEEN.

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PoochiesPinkEars · 30/05/2024 09:11

Queen indeed. 👸😍

KohlaParasaurus · 30/05/2024 09:35

It's on its way to me.

I hope that not too far in the future my little collection of books by non-wheeshting women will be just a snapshot of an unbelievable historical interlude. "They managed to get SO MANY PEOPLE to say that humans could change sex? Seriously? Primitive people were SO stupid! That couldn't happen today!"

PoochiesPinkEars · 30/05/2024 10:00

Express yourself how you want on an individual level.
But it is not reasonable to expect everyone to drop their ability to class an entire group correctly, on a societal level in pursuit of that, when it sweeps up everyone in the net, those who just quietly want to get on with life and those who have other motives at the expense of others.
https://x.com/bindelj/status/1795481599280038387
I'm so grateful to all who wouldn't wheesht, because we'd be in an even worse mess if they had.

x.com

https://x.com/bindelj/status/1795481599280038387

morningtoncrescent62 · 30/05/2024 11:43

I've ordered my copy from my local bookshop. They expect it to arrive tomorrow, so my fingers are firmly crossed that I can pick it up in time for the weekend.

Boiledbeetle · 30/05/2024 11:52

It's nearly here!!

JKR & the Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
AmaryllisNightAndDay · 30/05/2024 11:54

Well it all looks great but I'm specially looking forward to what Pam Gosal has to say about the GRR committee meetings. I watched the presentations to the committee (all nicely recorded on the Scottish govt website, very interesting presentations from all sides and I learned a lot.) Pam Gosal persistently asked about religious women and got nothing as an answer.

CocoapuffPuff · 30/05/2024 11:59

Susan Dalgety has consistently written absolutely cracking opinion pieces in the Saturday Scotsman newspaper. She's a national treasure. I'd quite like her pieces collated into a book, and would pay for it very happily. She's absolutely RAGING.

Boiledbeetle · 30/05/2024 12:38

Mine has arrived!

JKR & the Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
JKR & the Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht
CantDealwithChristmas · 30/05/2024 12:45

Boiledbeetle · 30/05/2024 12:38

Mine has arrived!

I love the cover design!

It really is turning into such a good day. LRM's been suspended, puberty blockers have been banned and I've got my brand new copy just tantalisingly waiting to be read when I get home from work!

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Fukuraptor · 30/05/2024 12:50

Awesome, thanks for letting me know, I've pre-ordered on Audible.

NachoHat · 30/05/2024 12:53

I've ordered! And will be reading passages out loudly to my three teens 😂 Luckily, they are all GC.

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