People who just don't get it

[Crowgirl]

Sorry all. I'm just fed up. Old dear friend over tonight all of the well with shouldn't we be kind? Trans women don't have penises. It's not about sterrotyoes. No one thinks kids should be treated medically. JK Rowling is mean. Of course trans sisters should be allowed in women's spaces

My head is going to explode. The absence of critical thinking is too much. I never start threads but I am so sad., so angry and so perplexed.

Sorry but I gave up debating this shit a long time ago and somehow got drawn into shaming tonight. The absence of critical thinking is beyond me.

I would love to sit these people down with a glass of wine and a whiteboard, and illustrate all the logic with them.
Oooh no, it'll only end up with a whiteboard full of TRANSMEN DON'T LIKE ABBA and GC WOMEN KEEP THEIR TOASTERS IN THE CUPBOARD😀

Something that only became clear to me because of these debates is that problems which are not women's problems to solve, are not created by us, are often pushed on women, as a sex, to solve.

The whole trans rights demands is one, i.e., it is women, as a sex, who are supposed to shuffle back in the queue to let some male people in when it comes to, say, STEM scholarships for women (existing because of past discrimination against the vulva type women and our scarcity in the field).

It is women only (not men) who are expected to accept being called by dehumanising terms in health literature (body part ownership, body function possessors). We don't see men being called prostate-havers or ejaculators or fathers called impregnating parents.

It is women who are supposed to give in on the problem trans people have created themselves in the choice of toilets, it is women who are expected to go with the presence of trans-identifying male criminals in female prisons.

After I spotted it here, I began to see it in so many other areas. Even on feminist sites problems sub-groups of women have are expected to be solved by other groups of women alone, not by men or by the society in general. And women really are seen as the universal mothers who should fix all problems for everyone or they shouldn't pretend to be feminists, say.

It's a fascinating realisation for me, mostly, because I didn't truly see it earlier, and I spend a lot of time thinking about these questions.

The reason that men's cubicles aren't the nicest, is because men mess them up though. That is a source of some controversy anyway, because I know people who will argue the women's cubicles are more grim than men's cubicles too. A lot of it depends on the clientele and usage. In principle women's toilets come under heavier usage than men - because all women using the toilet are using them while most men aren't using the cubicles. So you would expect them to be more commonly in a state. If that is the case - then there is no benefit to the "men that don't like using urinals and don't want to use the men's cubicles" to use the women's as the women's are MORE likely to be a mess. If, despite the heavier usage, the women's toilet are less of a state then its because of the exclusion of men - so allowing some men to use the women's cubicles also won't benefit them because then the men mess up the women's cubicles too. Both scenarios the women are unnecessarily disadvantaged.

This is so telling. Once the facts are presented they realise. Tras don't like facts. Its all make believe that people can change sex. TRAS have 2 tactics. Lying and threats.