If you thought Brighton couldn't get any worse...

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This is the booking in form at children's A&E.

It requests the child's preferred pronouns.

It does not request the child's sex.

It's just made me so sad. The NHS is falling apart, the doctors are run off their feet. It is not helpful to obfuscate a child's sex when that child may be seriously unwell.

How many vulnerable young girls with he/him pronouns will have their pregnancy missed because of this?

At a hospital? Fuck this shit, how have doctors let it come to this?

Just more evidence of how trans capture in the NHS harms children - as if the Cass Review wasn't enough.

I know some doctors buy into this. I really want one of them to explain how, in a medical setting, it’s fine to not record someone’s sex 😡

I’d also like anyone to explain any situation where it makes sense to split people by gender (and what they mean by gender!) - but that’s another thread!

How are they going to capture data on A&E attendance?

They've also spelled Caribbean wrong, and messed up the spacing so it looks like 'Chinese Other' and 'Ethnic Minority' are two distinct groups.

Report it. This thread has the link to gov.uk site collecting malpractice gender/sex
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5065647-a-reminder-that-the-nhs-is-consulting-on-single-sex-wards-etc-so-get-your-voice-heard

Not just pregnancies, ovarian torsion too. The risk is increased due to testosterone causing the ovaries to swell. Two that I know of seen in the past year where I work, I think both lost the ovaries due to late diagnosis as they were trying to be "stealth" and our software classifies by gender.

Is this being pushed by medics? Or managers?

Definitely report this using the link @Empowermenomore posted

I work in the NHS - no doubt this will have been pushed by someone in an equalities and diversity team who’s been reviewing various forms. I’d cross it out, replace it with ‘sex’ and write male or female, depending on the child in question.

Thanks for the link, will definitely report it. So ridiculous.

but it's a piece of paper? Cross it all through and write "Sex: M/F" (delete as appropriate)

Yes definitely report to the gov consultation and definitely take full advantage of it being a paper form and go to town with your red pen

Absolutely there needs to be a place to record sex, but it should be in addition to this box not instead of. (Although preferred pronouns is meh, just "known as" would suffice.)

Preferred name is a massive deal to lots of people. Many of my elderly care clients have gone by a nickname or middle name for decades, when they're ill/injured calling them by their real name would just make the situation worse for them. I go by a nickname and tense up if I'm called by my legal (full version) name, even more so for kids recording what to call them to make them most at ease is important

Please also consider reporting it to the Sullivan Review, which is collecting examples of data collection on sex and gender:

https://redcap.idhs.ucl.ac.uk/surveys/?s=9JLAM79XPM3L9L4K

I think a lot of this relies on the central NHS record being correct. I deal with NHS stuff with my elderly mother a fair amount. They ask for her name, date of birth and postcode to link that back to her NHS record. When she was an inpatient recently her notes also had her known as name as she has always gone by a shortened form of her full name. I’m not sure any form I’ve seen recently has asked either sex or gender or pronouns. The problems will arise when the child or parent has got the medical record changed.

I’m in the Brighton area and recently filled in a self referral form for a prolapse and the form
asks for my gender and preferred pronouns. While it’s through maternity services, it does ask
about ejaculation so clearly a form
for either sex.

I saw that and also it looks like they have written 'vomitting'

Awaits posters who will come along and tell you all off along the lines of -

Oh FGS you lot are obsessed it's just a medical form why do you have to make it all about the trans

Or similar

I would have thought these kind of forms would be standardised country-wide through the NHS. Is that not the case? Does each hospital write its own proforma? Seems weird.

So you can refer to the county your parents came from which is only geographical but not what literally your xx/xy make (which defines you as a person)

nuts

So if someone identifies as a cat, do they get referred to a vet? How does this work when sex is irrelevant?

And how would a vet treat a cat that isn't a sex?

Hmmmm 🧐

Fucking idiots.

It’s not only UK citizens who use the NHS. Visitors and tourists who need emergency treatment will not have an NHS record. Does anyone know if the devolved administrations’ health systems link up to a national system? If not, that’s an issue too.

Christ on a bike. This is absolutely awful. Why aren't these people being told, in great detail, what the possible consequences are of taking very high doses of a male hormone, which healthy female bodies would never have? Females have testosterone in our bodies at quite low levels on the whole and women with PCOS can confirm that when the levels are elevated it causes all sorts of health issues.

i'm ok with Preferred Name. My mum gets a bit tense when over friendly staff suddenly address her with her first name. She's always used a shortened form of it anyway, but she prefers Mrs Brefs-Mum.